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Instead of being vague, you should state what is incorrect. What did I say about chip speed that wasn't correct? They do top out at 1.25ghz.
I stated very little that isn't fact in my first post. Apple's "benchmarks" on their site show that Photoshop performs 90% better on a dual 1.25ghz power pc than on a *single* 2.53ghz PC. How misleading is that? Anyone that knows anything about multi-processor threading could've told you that. Put it up against a comparable dual processor Pentium chip setup and then we'll compare notes.
Also, I didn't say FreeBSD is a "piece of cake." In fact, your right if you're implying it is very tough. In fact, downloading it is not even easy. That's why I said: "learn it, use it, and have a box that could possibly run for years without a reboot." OSX does not give you the true benefit of using an OS as good as BSD, and has problems.
I started using Windows 2000 when I recieved RC 2 in the mail. It was amazing even in beta form. That's the exact reason I ordered Win XP when it hit beta. I have a great uptime percentage on my computer here. My current uptime percentage is at 98.79% after a reboot today for an update. I had just reinstalled Windows on 11/1 after a hard drive failure, and my longest uptime is 3 day and 3 hours. So I've been crash free too.
And your right, AMD did put a dent in the clockspeed myth, not Motorola. By the way, I'm running an AMD XP 1600 with a AMD 761 chipset, so I know first hand that this is true.
If you see anything in my post that is incorrect, let me know and I'll back em up. ;)
Eric
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Jeff said:
"After Ellen Feiss, they should retire the series. No one can top that.
Did anyone read today's Foxtrot comic? It is really funny if you read it and then view Ellen's "Switch" campaign video
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I-Nar said:I especially liked the one with the software engineer who couldn't figure out how to make a photo album with his pictures on a Windows machine. Not sure how he got THAT job...
I always chuckled when I saw that commercial too.
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Well, I will say, Ellen commercial was kinda cool. But I think that's cause she's hot and acts very cute....not sure how to explain it.
ANYWAYS, I find this hilarious. Maybe you won't, but oh well. http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=apple.com
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Dude, you're getting an Intamin!
I think the rocks beat her in the brains department, though.
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eric.walton said:
"Apple has it easy, it makes most of it's own hardware. What about the fact that Macs have topped out at 1.25 Ghz?
Clock speed means crap if there isn't an efficient architecture to the chip itself. The fact that the G4 processor contains 7 stages in its pipeline, while the P4 processor has a whoping 20 stages, should demonstrate why this is true.
And, to me, it's sad to hear someone touting a longest uptime of 3 days and 3 hours. My Powerbook laptop has done 3 weeks or more a few times now...only being turned off for transport.
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The only thing I dont like about it is that we rn NT4 so I cant install RCT...on second thought, that is probably a good thing :)
lata, jeremy
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Here's a great Apple ad spoof... http://www.punchbaby.com/media/laters/clips/funny/apple.wmv
Caution, this does have a little vulgarity.
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It probably shouldn't be sad to you though that my longest uptime is only 3 days. The log was just started on the 1st of the month, as that's when I reinstalled windows after a hard drive failure. Before the longest of three days, my video card slipped out of it's slot, and caused the computer to freeze a few times until I figured out what happened. A windows or PC problem, no, bad motherboard design, most likely. If the video card would've stayed in it's place, I would've of had about 5 days of uptime before I installed a new driver. You also just proved your Powerbook having uptime of three weeks to be moot, as it doesn't count if you turn it off, even for transport.
Maybe you should go read a few articles over at ExtremeTech.com so that you can back up the statements about stages in the pipeline. Which really don't mean anything, and doesn't prove any point. Unfortunately, you've made the statement, so it becomes your burden to prove it. ;)
You still have to wonder why Apple runs Solaris Servers with Netscape software if their product is so great. Why would you use it if they don't?
Edit: Redman, it is so funny to see the mac "Restart" message box again! I had forgotten all about that stupid looking thing. Those old macs at school used to give us fits sometimes.
Eric
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*** This post was edited by eric.walton on 11/7/2002. ***
The problem, Eric, is that techies get so wrapped up in benchmarks and such that they never ask the more important question: Does it do what I need reliably and easy?
Windows XP does for the most part. It took Microsoft a long time to get there, but I think the PC world is now better for it. It was a very long and evolutionary process.
Previous Mac OS versions weren't always the most stable, but the interface was always better. OS X has since made a revolutionary leap.
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redman822 said:
Here's a great Apple ad spoof...
That just made my day. *thumbs up*
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Agreed ravenguy98! Good thing I'm alone in my office....the "laughing out loud" almost disturbed my co-workers...:). Thanks, redman822....
Jeff I agree with you. But that doesn't change my oppinion of Apple.
But, I just kinda get sick of Apple people constantly bashing Microsoft/PC's. Check out a mac message board, and you'll find reams of messages devoted to putting down PC's. That just gets old, and it's been going on for years. So I have to put in my thoughts when it's brought up. That's all. The apple guys just never have any truly valid reasons to be putting other systems down. It's all a "because I said" argument.
Would you use an XServe to run this site? If it had a good ASP server and a fast SQL server? Do you think it would perform as well? Apple doesn't even use their own servers, that says a lot. You could probably argue that RISC processors were better years ago, but now? You'd have a harder time proving they could out-perform.
Eric
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After Ellen Feiss, they should retire the series. No one can top that.
Heh. Now I get that foxtrot comic! I guess this is what I get for never watching commercials on television. (God bless my PVR.)
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And, for what it's worth, most of the architecture of OS X is based on the Mach microkernel, not BSD. Mach takes much of its early device support from 4.2 and 4.3BSD, and contributes its (darn neat) virtual memory architecture to NET/2, a forerunner of BSD 4.4 (and hence all of the current BSD variants.) If you look inside the pmap module of any modern BSD, that's Mach.
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I've switched from Linux to win2k as my "on the hardware" OS for my machines at work. My students are convinced I've sold out. My reasoning is that it saves me time. Windows does 90% of what I want to do effortlessly, and the other 10% is completely impossible. Linux does 80% of what I want to do effortlessly, but the other 20% is just a "simple matter of programming"---possible, but difficult. My futzing time has gone way down as a result of the switch.
To be fair, I still run a linux image inside of VMware, but that's so I get an honest-to-goodness shell, latex, emacs, etc., and none of these cygwin pretenders.
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*** This post was edited by Brian Noble on 11/7/2002. ***
Eric: I agree with what you're saying. The Mac people, Linux people, and worst of all, the Java people are caught up in religion, and that's not my thing. I'm not one of those people. I mean, I'm a .Net developer... nobody likes me!
It is subjective, and I understand that, but I just like OS X's UI better than XP. The issue of hardware and software power doesn't matter the way it used to. Even five years ago I was editing broadcast digital video on a Mac, and there's nothing I'd need to do today that's more powerful.
Are Mac's more powerful? These days, probably not, but again, it's all relative. Would I run a Web server off of a Mac? I wouldn't because I run Microsoft stuff, so it's not really a question applicable to me.
And by the way, a normally Java-centric consultant just tried to tweak out the "Pet Shop" app being used in the Java vs. .Net battle, and .Net still won. :)
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I hate sun more than any company because of Scott McNealy. So yeah, that would include Java people, because they're all about him.
But the question was more theoretical. If you had software on a mac, that could do everything your Windows servers do, which would you pick.
I would be less critical of the Apple guys if they'd just shut up about how they're computers are SO much better. At least provide a reasonable argument.
HAha, I was waiting for a Linux guy to chime in. Nice to hear from ya. :)
The biggest shocker of this thread though. No one has claimed yet that Apple "invented" the GUI. Has that finally been beaten for good now? LOL.
Eric
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Hey now! I'm actually a reformed linux guy. In fact, my progression is:
BSD 4.2-BSD 4.3-Mach-NetBSD-Linux-Windows.
The early BSDs were because I was an undergrad at Berkeley (who invented it). Mach because I was a grad student at CMU (who invented it). NetBSD because even CMU gave up on Mach, and Linux because when I left CMU to go to Michigan, I couldn't bring our "NetBSD device driver writer guy" with me, and had no interest in writing device drivers myself. You've already heard my Windows story: now that all I do is write papers, grant proposals, and power point presentations, Windows is just great. :)
If I could have my pick of kernels to hack for my research projects, all other things being equal, I'd pick BSD. It has the cleanest internal structure of any kernel I've seen. Out of practical reasons (namely device support) we use linux instead. Linux hackers have never met an abstraction they wouldn't violate, but that has nothing to do with coasters.
I think even apple will now admit to the fact that they stole the GUI from Xerox PARC. If you haven't read "fumbling the future", it's a good read: how Xerox could have owned the PC industry, but couldn't figure out how to make copies with computers, and so gave up on 'em.
Most of the serious computing people at Xerox PARC went on to form DEC SRC, which became Compaq SRC, which is now HP SRC. While DEC was playing the serial-acquisition game, many of the serious computing people at SRC left to form Microsoft Research: Silicon Valley (and several of those people were part of the original Xerox PARC team). So, even the people who invented the PC switched to Windows. ;)
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Hey, Apple could've owned the industry to. So many mistakes over the last couple of decades.
Does anybody remember, not so long ago, when you weren't "kewl" if you had to use Windows and couldn't run anything from a DOS prompt? How times change...
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