How I always "counted hills" was if it has a valley-apex-valley, then it's a hill. I count a double dip at 3, so triple dip would be 3 in my book. Lots of peeps probably have their own way of doing it. Either way, seems like Voyage will take the record on that too.
16 airtime moments on Timbers? There wasn't nearly that many when I rode. More than half the locations that looked like they could have air didn't, but a few were really good. That is how I expect Voyage to be too. I don't think TGG/CCI can deliver great (or any) air in every location they try. It seems to be a bit of hit and miss with them, but I still like their product. *** Edited 3/26/2006 6:32:07 PM UTC by RavenTTD***
I suspect I know what moments you are referring to, RavenTTD, but could you site some specific ones? Because maybe in some cases there isn't air but GG/CCI didn't expect there to be, either. Guess you couldn't really know unless you asked them.
RavenTTD said: 16 airtime moments on Timbers? There wasn't nearly that many when I rode. More than half the locations that looked like they could have air didn't, but a few were really good. That is how I expect Voyage to be too. I don't think TGG/CCI can deliver great (or any) air in every location they try. It seems to be a bit of hit and miss with them, but I still like their product. *** Edited 3/26/2006 6:32:07 PM UTC by RavenTTD***
I too didn't get great rides on a normal day. and had good but not great reviews of it. That thing smokes every hill by 10pm.
Wow, John. I've visited MIA about five times since '98 and Timbers has been an airtime machine everytime even at 2pm. And the latest I've ridden it is about 6:30pm. I hope to finally make it to Timbersfest this year and check out Timbers on 11. :)
It is hard to remember all the exact locations except for the first couple hills on ST, but I do remember the double up was dead even in the front and I have a hard time believing that was intended. Also, I believe on Hades the return hill over Zeus was intended to be an airtime hill as well but I don't consider it one. It might fit the definition given for Voyage of .25 G's but that ain't air.
Ms. Solace--I too am a Maggie fanboy. Once you;ve had brakeless rides, you never forget. But for me, Timbers offers the effect of Maggie's third hill over and over again. The fourth hill on Timbers is one of the sickest airtime moments I've encountered. Can you say upstops? :)
I honestly don't think some people know how to find the seats that give the best ride on coasters.
If you go ride timbers in the front seat, Your cheating yourself by one row of the sickest airtime in the world. Front car, Second row or very back car, back row. I know coasters should deliver in every seat but sometimes it just don't work that way.
The back row of the first car on woodies has the distinction of being called the Schmeck seat (Namely due to Phoenix and Comet) It referes to the pivot point in which riders are actually kinda boosted out of their seat when the train makes the transition from up to down.
The backseat tends to be the part of the train moving the fastest when it reaches the steepest point of a drop.
There's the back of the train, there's the middle of the train, and there's the front of the train. I may on very rare occurances consider other things (SOB comes to mind) when choosing a seat, but it's usually what part of the train I prefer, how long the line is for that seat, and which lines are more or less even so everyone in my party can get on the same train.
I think that's a fair trade of for experiencing the nuances individual row to individual row, and if I really have to think that hard about getting the best ride on a coaster....I dunno. There's plenty of coasters out there where I can get my butt kicked no matter where I sit. :)
I thought Timbers was going to be good, but it pretty much sucked.
Maybe it just wasn't violent enough for me?
edit: You really shouldn't have to "find the best seat" to ride something. It just seems kind of lame to have to go through and start getting picky about only riding rides in certain places on certain trains.
It's like the guy with the stopwatch at Solace 2003 - he wouldn't ride in the silver train on Ghostrider because he timed it and "the gold train was running 3 seconds faster"....
*** Edited 3/28/2006 3:38:52 PM UTC by Raven-Phile***