Video editing help request

Thursday, December 26, 2002 1:19 PM

Hi, I just got a brand new digital video camera for Christmas and i'm looking forward to shooting roller coaster videos. Can anyone help me on what software I should use to do this? And where I could easily find it? Thanks!

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Thursday, December 26, 2002 3:24 PM
Just out of curiosity, what kind of camera did you get?
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Thursday, December 26, 2002 3:32 PM

It's a JVC GR-DVL522

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Corey
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Thursday, December 26, 2002 3:57 PM
Hey, I do the videos for ACN, I use alot of different titles to edit. Usually I use Premiere 6 LE ($250) and Pinnacle Studio 8 ($99). I'd go for Studio 8, sicne it comes with a IEEE 1394 (firewire) card with it, which you'll need to transfer it to the computer and back to the camera... Both programs are farily easy to use, Studio 8 is VERY user friendly.

*** This post was edited by ThePhantomLives on 12/26/2002. ***

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Thursday, December 26, 2002 4:34 PM

http://shop.outpost.com/product/3410843

They have it for $50 and they have a $50 rebate if you buy it by Dec 31. I already got mine and it just cost me the shipping. The rebate will take up to 8 weeks. This one is only the software, but you can find firewire cards for about $20.

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Thursday, December 26, 2002 5:49 PM

I personally use Ulead VideoStudio 5.0 which is a farely simple program to use and has a few good effects built into the program to make your vids look that much cooler.

Just remember to get those incredible shots to make your video look that much better!

Coasterman Mike

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My 2002 Coaster Season Video Review is now available here: http://www.geocities.com/coasterman_mike

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Thursday, December 26, 2002 5:57 PM
I have used Ulead VideoStudio 5.0, Magix Video Deluxe, and Pinnacle Studio 8. I like Pinnacle Studio 8 the best and I just got it for $19.99 at Best Buy. Magix Video Deluxe is a decent editor with some advance features for beginners. The Ulead VideoStudio 5.0 is very basic and easy to use but not a lot of extra features. I hope that helps.

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Thursday, December 26, 2002 6:18 PM

Hey thanks everyone. I think i'm going to go with Pinnacle Studio 8. Wow, I can't believe so many people replied. I didn't know if anyone would. And even the master of ACN videos replied. Your videos are the reason why I wanted this camera. Thanks again everyone.

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Thursday, December 26, 2002 7:13 PM
You should try Vegas Video. It's part of the Sonic Foundry line of products. And you people actually pay for software? Anyone ever heard of Kazaa?

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Thursday, December 26, 2002 8:24 PM
If I may toot my own horn here for a moment...

If you've never shot video for editing before, you might want to visit my employer's web site for a moment for a little advice:

Shooting for editing

That's basically the advice I give to non-television students who come to me and 'want to make a video.' Some of it might not apply to you. A tripod is probably impractical for most of your shooting in parks, and it may not be possible to do much in the way of pre-planning. But you can think carefully about the kind of production you plan to create, the type of video you're going to need, and certainly PRE-ROLL AND PAD YOUR SHOTS. When you start editing, you will be much happier if you do that!

I wish I could give you more advice on editing gear, but my experience is pretty limited...Avid Xpress DV (what I now use) on both PC and Macintosh platforms is an excellent package, but it's also $1600 ($400 if you're a student) and only for the really serious. Because I have a late-model Mac, I also have iMovie, which I haven't played with, but it's got enough power to do quite a lot. And if you happen to be working on an Apple machine, you can't beat the price ($0).

In any case, whatever you use, I strongly suggest that you use a package that used DV encoding. It takes lots and lots of hard disk space (just under five minutes per GIGABYTE!) but DV-25 is the native encoding used by digital video cameras. There are a few programs out there that use MPEG streams or AVI files that use non-DV compression. When you stack compression algorithms, you will have a noticeable loss of picture quality. Stick with DV, and when you dump your finished project to tape, you will have NO loss of quality from the editing process (except possibly in rendered effects). Then you can run it through a compressor for the Web and beat the image quality all to hell in order to make the file a manageable size.

Remember, the most important thing is that you get good video to start with. What you edit that video with is not critical, provided you use the editor wisely and you pick an editor that isn't going to turn your video to hash.

Have fun, because ultimately that's the most important goal!

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

*** This post was edited by RideMan on 12/27/2002. ***

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Friday, December 27, 2002 1:50 AM
I always use Adobe Premiere, a bit expensive but a true masterpiece. :)

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Dutch Coastin' :: European coasters, thrills and theming!

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Friday, December 27, 2002 4:10 AM

Premier is such a piece of crap. Adobe's only blemish in my eyes.

I wondered if Dave would bring up Avid before I did. You can actually get it in most places for $1,500. It seems expensive, but keep this in mind, it's very nearly the same interface used to cut Hollywood films. Having used pro stuff back in the day (where a non-linear edit suite cost $10k+), this is a welcome product.

If you're a Mac nut, do check out Final Cut Pro. I like it in some ways because of its simplicity. It's not really more or less powerful than Avid in the big picture, I just like Avid more because it's familiar to me. Avid will also work on both WinXP and Mac using the same USB key. Pretty smooth.

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Friday, December 27, 2002 5:15 AM

Premier is not so bad, you just have to know how to handle her. Avid is supposed to be good too, I've never had the pleasure of working with it though.

To be honest, I don't think that anyone born 3/9/88 can afford either of those programs.. ;)

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Friday, December 27, 2002 7:29 AM

Actually, that is quite misleading their DRNK....though I am only 14, I work for my dad and brother's landscaping business and make around $3,000-$3,500 a year. Now that Jeff and Rideman have mentioned how awesome Avid is, I am also looking at that too. Thanks again everyone!

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Friday, December 27, 2002 7:30 AM
Sorry about that. I should have known better. Guess I'm getting old.

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Friday, December 27, 2002 7:54 AM
I didn't mean for that to sound like a smarta$$ comment. Sorry DRNK.

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Corey
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Friday, December 27, 2002 8:12 AM
Avid systems kick @ss, but the majority of us can't afford them- Luckily, Im goin to a film school that just got Avid Media Systems :)
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Friday, December 27, 2002 8:20 AM

DJVICDOGG said:
And you people actually pay for software? Anyone ever heard of Kazaa?

Yes, we pay for software. The developers have to make a living, you know. Idiot opinions like this are why the software, music, and movie industries are trying so hard to remove all our previous fair use rights.

Thanks!


On a subject related to the actual question, what Windows software is capable of editing QuickTime as well as MPEG/MPEG2? I haven't done much research on this yet. My current digital camera can capture short stills, in Quicktime format. I DO plan on getting a good DV camera someday, but in the meantime I'd like to be able to at least trim and start playing with what I've got.

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*** This post was edited by GregLeg on 12/27/2002. ***

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Friday, December 27, 2002 8:42 AM

Wow... I totally missed that. What a moron. Really bad idea to post that kind of crap on a board that is owned and moderated by people who eat because of software they write. Jackass.

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Friday, December 27, 2002 11:37 AM

That really isn't a smart remark. Kazaa is a perfectly legal Dutch invention, but what you just suggested is very much illegal. I hope you understand that violation of copyright-laws is a very serious offence!

As far as I know, QuickTime is a closed source compression, meaning that you are inable to edit it. Perhaps Apple has some kind of developer kit, but none of the general video-editing programms can handle QuickTime, not for editing purposes anyway. QuickTime was ment for publication, not capturing.

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Dutch Coastin' :: European coasters, thrills and theming!

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