Friday, August 24, 2001 12:39 AM
Ok, I understand now that Vekoma is closing down/rescheduling, but who really cares? I personially dislike most of these "pre-packaged" coasters. Where do I see coasters in the future, I see them custom built by companies that are creative and with designs that are exclusive. I don't want to go to a park and find that I have been on 1/2 of the rides allready. That isn't any fun. I want to go on rides like Raging Bull (that turned out as a really good investment for SFGAm) and others like that.

How can Vekoma stay in business, thats easy, build parts and create a consulting firm. They build the parts for the coasters, and the consulting firm designs the coasters. The adverage coaster only has a few parts that are not straight or at a industry standard curve. They can mass produce the things and still offer a competitive edge. Especially since so many of the parks have delt with them in the past (including Six Flags, which if Six Flags guaranteed them 1/2 of their new parks next year Vekoma would be doing very well.. and they should be doing very well with this V2 and Deja Vu buy anyways).

 

Anyways, thats my 2c

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Friday, August 24, 2001 3:18 AM
Yes, but do realize rhat Vekoma doesn't just make roller coasters. The make many rides such as Ferris Wheels, Funhouse's, and lots of other rides. Check this out...
http://www.vercomnetdesign.com/vekomasite/default1.htm
That's the address for their ride listings.

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Friday, August 24, 2001 9:52 AM
And V2 is not a Vekoma. I think most park companies are going to be reluctant to deal with Vekoma on large projects for the next few years. The GIBS and the Dutchmen have had problems almost non-stop. Granted some of that can be attributed to the parks, but most of it is in the design and engineering. They have some decent rides and good ideas, but their execution leaves a bit to be desired. I hope perhaps they will begin a new phase and turn around into something better. Only if their ideas do not give me migraines.

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Friday, August 24, 2001 10:31 AM
There were SOME problems with Stealth in it's first year, but I think for the most part the Dutchmen have been running well.  SFA has other issues, but I've said plenty about that before.  Their non-inverting coasters are great, and their non-coaster rides too.  Don't get me wrong, I'd be the last person to defend Boomerangs, hang-and-bangs, and coaster-cloning in general.  Boomerangs and SLC's can be good rides, but soft, fluffy padding is REQUIRED, not optional.  But for the price, Vekoma is hard to beat, especially for smaller parks w/out a lot of capital. 
Wild Adventures in Valdosta, before they got together the cash for Cheetah, had four "adult-sized" coasters - three Vekoma's and a Maurer-Sohne wild mouse.  They built their business, and now are a competing regional park.  Vekoma rides will still be around, and I'm not disappointed when I say that.
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Friday, August 24, 2001 10:53 AM
To the author of this post, you are naive, sorry to say. Not every park in the world can afford a $12+ million dollar custom and original built ride from B&M or Intamin AG. Just because you don't like off the shelf rides does not mean that Vekoma is better off a dead manufacturer. Cookie cutter rides are cheaper to construct, do not require additional computing, and are quicker to install. That is a reason why Vekoma boomerang coasters are so popular and successful worldwide. The average park goer doesn't give a ___ if another park has a boomerang just like the one they're visiting. Most general public guests are still scared like mice of boomerang coasters. The ratio of parks to cookie cutter rides is still at a big margin. Open your mind, please. People should think like this nowadays.
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Friday, August 24, 2001 11:38 AM
Vekoma is low quality and no one wants to ride there rides. And Kraxelriderboy, general park guests arent terrified of a boomerang, they arent. General Park guests want better thrills, smoother rides like B&M. Ask anyone, example: Ask someone in the area I live that has been to sfwoa and cedar point and they will say they prefer raptor 10 times better than serial thriller (slc) and they will say they dont like mind eraser (boomerang). Face it. Vekoma rides are cheap, low, cloned, compact pieces of TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...........if I was vekoma, i would shoot myself or start making my rides better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Friday, August 24, 2001 11:48 AM
Not true - not everybody DOESN'T want to ride the rides. For a smaller park like Adventureland (Iowa) or Elitch Gardens, or Jazzland, Vekoma fits the bill. They also make very decent Ferris Wheels. I think competition is wonderful between companies. Wouldn't it be a boring world if all rides were just B&M, just Intamin, or just Arrow?

Think about it.

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Friday, August 24, 2001 11:58 AM

turnofthecentury said:
Wouldn't it be a boring world if all rides were just B&M, just Intamin, or just Arrow?
 

Not really because each manufacturer has their own ride types.  Like for B&M, there are speds, floorlesses, sitdown loopings, standups and inverteds.  There is a difference between those types

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Friday, August 24, 2001 11:58 AM
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Friday, August 24, 2001 12:15 PM
Nick Catalano: I don't know what parks you'vebeen to, but all of the other major companiesclone also. B&M has several clones of Batman: The Ride from SFGAm. Intamin hascloned their Impulse coaster and Superman:Ride of Steel coaster. Arrow has clonedShockwave from SFGAm. its not the companythat clones. its the parks. if a parksimply asks for a Batman clone then that's what they get. if they ask for an origionalinverted coaster, then they get someting origional. Vekoma does offer custom coasters, but most parks just ask for a clone. sure Vekoma doesn't make the best big coasters, but they do make some good flatand kiddie rides. DON'T LIMIT VEKOMA TO BOOMERANGS AND HANG-'N-BANGS! parks will continue to deal with Vekoma after this isall said and done. and ya know why? becauseVekoma will learn from their mistakes. theywon't promise something that they can't deliver and, hopefully, they'll start makingmore origional designs.
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Friday, August 24, 2001 12:24 PM

onekong said:
Vekoma is low quality and no one wants to ride there rides.

Hmm...then why did Serial Thriller and Kong both have hour lines when I went to the parks at which they are located? Explain the 2 hour lines for Stealth and Batwing. How about my 45 minute wait for Invertigo, or the usual 30 minute wait for Boomerang at Knott's? Just because you or even most enthusiasts don't want to ride Vekoma doesn't mean that the rest of the world doesn't want to ride them. I don't know of a single Vekoma ride that is unpopular with the GP. Even if you HATE every single Vekoma ride, which I don't, at least they keep the lines down for other rides. Heck, I even heard people in line for Kong saying they preferred it to Top Gun! You see, people's tastes vary. Many people have yet to figure that concept out. It would be a shame to loose Vekoma (although I wouldn't mind if they would start building rides tall people could go on... ;))

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Friday, August 24, 2001 1:11 PM
Hey, Serial Thriller is an awesome ride!  It had just as long of a line as the rest of the coasters when I was there....
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Friday, August 24, 2001 1:13 PM
I even waited in line for the Flying Unicorns.
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Friday, August 24, 2001 1:33 PM

coasterjedi said:
"Nick Catalano: I don't know what parks you'vebeen to, but all of the other major companiesclone also. B&M has several clones of Batman: The Ride from SFGAm. Intamin hascloned their Impulse coaster and Superman:Ride of Steel coaster. Arrow has clonedShockwave from SFGAm. its not the companythat clones. its the parks. if a parksimply asks for a Batman clone then that's what they get. if they ask for an origionalinverted coaster, then they get someting origional. Vekoma does offer custom coasters, but most parks just ask for a clone. sure Vekoma doesn't make the best big coasters, but they do make some good flatand kiddie rides. DON'T LIMIT VEKOMA TO BOOMERANGS AND HANG-'N-BANGS! parks will continue to deal with Vekoma after this isall said and done. and ya know why? becauseVekoma will learn from their mistakes. theywon't promise something that they can't deliver and, hopefully, they'll start makingmore origional designs.
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You made some good points- but Shockwave at SFGAm wasn't cloned- it was enlarged:). But Arrow has done other clones- Shuttle Loops (ala SFEG), Corckscrews, Loopscrews, ect.
Back on topic, Vekoma does make custom rides. Most parks, though, go to Vekoma for clones, because they have some of the damn best clones scratch S:RoS and B:TR. I mean, who the hell would've thought of a boomerang (be honest). Or a Dutchman? They do make custom, but as I said, their rides offer a different experience than most others unless you've already been on one of them. And, as coasterjedi said, its what the park wants. If they want a clone, they'll get one. Vekoma just designs them, and hands the plans over to the park. Plus, the GP doesn't know Vekoma clones these things like mad. But anyways, does it matter? I don't hear any S:RoS bashing because they're clones (except SFNE version), only Vekoma bashing. Does it matter that the ride is at one billion (over-exaggerating) other parks? As long as its fun, its good for the park and riders. I just hope Vekoma keeps building them and that this little set back won't hinder that.
And onekong, as I asked before, what has Vekoma done to you? All they do is make coasters. What you should really be angry at are all of the parks that order the clones. "Kill Cedar Fair and Six Flags for all of their ordering of clones!" Sheesh dude. You need to chill.

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Friday, August 24, 2001 4:27 PM
Maybe there is long lines because you went on the weekend and the people are riding the ride for the first time, would it ever occur to you that some people may have nevger been to knott's and are riding it their first time, oh and vekoma flyers are new, new rides = Long Lines. the public wants to ride the new thing that they didnt see at the park last year. The only reason stealth, batwing, X-Flight, etc.... have long lines is because most have only two trains going, sometimes one, when they should have three and after a few years, B&M will make more and more flyers in the u.s and people will like them better than the vekoma ones, just like the inverted coaster. example: serial thriller and raptor, yeah, serial thriller lines can get long, wow a 1 hour wait on weekends, and sometimes they only have one train goin, raptor has three all the time. and Raptor's lines are always very long. People like the vekoma flyers because there new and provide an expierience people have never felt Before!
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Friday, August 24, 2001 5:05 PM

Mr. G-lix said:

And onekong, as I asked before, what has Vekoma done to you? All they do is make coasters. What you should really be angry at are all of the parks that order the clones. "Kill Cedar Fair and Six Flags for all of their ordering of clones!" Sheesh dude. You need to chill.


Yes, that would be nice........:) Onekong, Have you read the FAQ?  Noise is unacceptable.  Your opinion is valid, and maybe even important (to you), but screaming through your computer isn't going to change the fact that small parks NEED companies like Vekoma.   Oh...and please stop it with the run-on sentences.  Thank you.
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Friday, August 24, 2001 5:58 PM
Finally someone besides me jumps on him for all of this...
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Friday, August 24, 2001 6:49 PM
What am I doing, just posting on some forum's expressing my opinions. Can't I tell the world Vekoma is Trash!
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Friday, August 24, 2001 7:04 PM
Dude, this ability of yours to post on this site is a generous gift given by Jeff, and you should follow his rules because of that. He can easily discontinue your membership here, so just follow his rules.

www.coasterbuzz.com/forums/faq.asp

When you constantly flame about Vekoma sucking and make noise by doing the same, you break rules. Just play by them! Yes, you can have your own opinion. But as I've said to your earlier, just start your own topic to say your opinions. Call it "Vekoma Sucks" or something of that nature. Then, a minute or so later, check back on Coasterbuzz, to see, surprise, "Vekoma Sucks (Closed)". That's all you gotta do. Then keep repeating the process until Jeff finds that your not shaping up and kills your account.

Go tell the world Vekoma is trash- on another board! We all know your feelings- go tell other boards so they can know too! Just stop cluttering CoasterBuzz with your flaming noise. We've heard it and don't want to hear it anymore. Now hush up!

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Friday, August 24, 2001 8:08 PM
Who was that last post pointed at? Me?

Anyways, Batman the Ride isn't exactly the best suspended roller coaster out there. Its extremely fast, and that takes a lot away from the ride.

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