V2 @ Six Flags Discovery Kingdom

Nah, more to the people above you who are making the (what seems silly to me) argument that it's not an inversion simply because the element is on an angle. What makes it an inversion to me is that it rotates around itself 360 degrees, and it's closer to being parallel to the ground than vertical (ie closer to 0 than 90 degrees)

I'm just pointing out that the logic "not if it's greater than 0 degrees" doesn't make sense, since almost any corkscrew or inline element out there is not at 0 degrees. (for instance, the close to the ground "double in-line twist" is taken on or about a 10 degree angle on any vekoma inverted such as Thunderhawk at Geuaga Lake)

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SFoGswim said:
No, he wasn't, but makes a point. Obviously it can't be restricted to just zeros, but it has to be somewhere close in my opinion. And Sheikrafanatic, your theory would give a lot of coasters inversions that don't really have them (any Intamin overbank [just by definition]).

I'm sure this could be debated just as much as whether or not S:TE is a coaster. I mean, what about Mantis's inclined loop?

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I think if it goes 360 degrees aroundit's own axis, and it's closer to being parallel to the ground, it shouldn't be a question. However, the inclined loop is a hard one. :) If it were simply an overbanked turn, I'd lean towards no, but since it exits the same direction it comes into it, I'd say the inversion like qualities is the whole point. For example, in terms of the element, it inverts on itself (even if the element itself is on an angle) and it's closer to vertical than horizontal. Since this is a loop we are talking about, not a inline corkscrew, by my logic, it's close enough.

Now all we need is for someone to come out with a perfectly angled 45 degree corkscrew, and my neatly bow-tied sense of reality can be shattered.

If your body is upside down at any point during the ride, and your head is pointed at the ground and gravity is pulling it downward, (where your body is over top of your head) then let's just call that an inversion.

Just ride towards the middle of the train and find out.

This is a no brainer, but since the coaster is inverted are those thing we are saying are or are not inversions just regular pieces of track???, I think we will never know.

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BigJim4Life said:
If your body is upside down at any point during the ride, and your head is pointed at the ground and gravity is pulling it downward, (where your body is over top of your head) then let's just call that an inversion.

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That would mean 91 degree turns could be inversions though.

Did my feet go above my head? Yes? Inversion.

Then a corkscrew is an inverson look at 3rd car from back.

Over the top examples on a bulletin board are always funny, because invariably there will be someone who misses the point of them being placed there as sarcasm.

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Acoustic Viscosity said:
I can't remember what they said exactly when I was there for Spring Con last month, but they were "marketing" it at the park as the world's only "something" and not just the "_______est of its kind in Northern California" like they werre doing with every other coaster.

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Was just there last weekend. :) It's "the world's only 45 degree angled impulse coaster," something like that. I don't remember the exact verbiage.

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matt. said:

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BigJim4Life said:
If your body is upside down at any point during the ride, and your head is pointed at the ground and gravity is pulling it downward, (where your body is over top of your head) then let's just call that an inversion.

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That would mean 91 degree turns could be inversions though.

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Sorry...I meant if your body is directly over your head, parallel to the ground...I wish I could draw...

Ah, but the real trickiness comes in the fact that on the first and third passes, only half the train makes it into the twist. The front car goes about 270 degrees around while the back car makes it just to right about 90.

So half the train made an inversion and half didn't?

^I rode in the back, and I would only say with conviction that I *inverted* on the second pass. Nonetheless, I definitely had my feet directly over my head, and made a rotation completely around my center of gravity....which, for me at least, counts... ;)

Isn't that kind of the same as the back of the train getting airtime going down a drop, but not the front of the train? It's still an "airtime moment", right? ;)