V2 @ Six Flags Discovery Kingdom

Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:23 PM
I was wondering if the 45 degree twisted spike counts as an inversion. on rcdb it doesn't say but the train clearly goes upside down IMO.
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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:28 PM
Personally, I'd count it as an inversion. Heck, Six Flags could market the thing as the world's only inverting impulse coaster.
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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:38 PM
I can't remember what they said exactly when I was there for Spring Con last month, but they were "marketing" it at the park as the world's only "something" and not just the "_______est of its kind in Northern California" like they werre doing with every other coaster.
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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:42 PM
Just a thought...was any inversion ever subsequently ADDED to a ride between the Marriott Demon coasters and this?

V2 definitely inverts...on an inverted no less.
http://www.rcdb.com/ig1143.htm?picture=8

http://www.pbase.com/rollergator/image/78506539

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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:47 PM
Looks like an inversion to me, clear as day.

I don't see how that wouldn't count an this does:

http://cache.rcdb.com/pictures/picmax/p18430.jpg

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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:53 PM
There has to be some sort of defintion. Like, Maverick's first hill takes riders 84 degrees from being completely upside down and Millennium Force's overbanks take riders about 50 degrees from being upside down. By the looks of it, V2 takes riders 30-35 degrees away from being completely upside down. Where do you draw the line?
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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:59 PM
^Can't speak for overbanks or "greater than vertical drops"...

But V2.1, or as we decided to rename it, "Diagonal Velocity" goes COMPLETELY upside-down in the inversion. The rcdb pic above demostrates how/where that happens...and for a cool effect, it stretches right over the entrance plaza... :)

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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:20 PM

Personally, I'd count it as an inversion. Heck, Six Flags could market the thing as the world's only inverting impulse coaster.

What about Volcano.

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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:25 PM
I could be wrong, but Volcano isn't an impulse coaster. It's a catapult coaster. Implulse coasters bring you up to top speed through several 'impulses'. Volcano brings you up to speed in one shot.
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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:25 PM
Volcano has two series of impulses, One right after the station, and one heading into the first inversion.
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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:25 PM

rollergator said:
But V2.1 goes COMPLETELY upside-down in the inversion.

No. Check out this picture. In the first frame is the regular orientation where the ride comes as close being upside down as 30 degrees. In the middle is if the spike was rotated flat and riders come zero degrees away from being exactly upside down. There would be no arguing something like that is an inversion. The third frame is the old twirl where the closest a rider comes to being upside down is 90 degrees away... pretty far, and is clearly not an inversion.

So is an inversion between 0 - 30 degrees from upside down? Or 0 - 10? Or 0 - 45? See my point?

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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:29 PM

matt. said:

I don't see how that wouldn't count an this does:

http://cache.rcdb.com/pictures/picmax/p18430.jpg[/quote]


What coaster is that?

Am I the only one who still finds the whole V2 transformation situation really funny? :)

*** Edited 6/12/2007 11:30:11 PM UTC by Peabody***

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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:56 PM

Brucey said:
Volcano has two series of impulses, One right after the station, and one heading into the first inversion.

Volcano The Blast Coaster is NOT an Impulse Coaster. Impulse Coaster is a KIND of roller coaster, not defined by just any inverted coaster with any stretch of LIM's.

I believe IntaRide refers to Volcano as a Suspended Catapult Coaster -- a full-scale closed circuit inverted coaster with certain track sections lined with electromagnetic staters.

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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:00 PM
Peabody axed: What coaster is that?

Mystery Mine

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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:28 PM

SFoGswim said:
So is an inversion between 0 - 30 degrees from upside down? Or 0 - 10? Or 0 - 45? See my point?

A common idea is that an inversion is anything that rotates more than 135 degrees, halfway between 90 and 180, making what we usually consider "overbanks" not quite inversions and most things past that inversions.

I mean this isn't a set, golden rule or anything but a lot of the culture has accepted that as the standard.

But anyway by that standard that portion of V2 would have to be at a 45 degree angle, right?

Edit - Or no, less than 45 degrees! *** Edited 6/13/2007 12:36:31 AM UTC by matt.***

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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:35 PM
Hmm, interesting. I've never really thought of this before.

I say it counts.

If Hydra's slanted dive loop thing counts as an inversion, so does this.

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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:53 PM
Or you could look at it this way if it is an Inverted roller coaster and the car is above the track section its an inversion, or in the same aspect, if a sit-down roller coaster goes under the track section its an inversion.
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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:00 PM
If 0 degrees is required, then better remove all corkscrews from the inversion list.

For example, looking at this picture here: http://www.rcdb.com/ig13.htm?picture=4

You can clearly see that the start of each corkscrew is at least 8-9 feet taller than the end of each corkscrew, which means it's at least a 10 degree angle.

Now that just doesn't make any sense, does it?

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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:17 PM
Are you talking about what I said?
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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:42 PM
No, he wasn't, but makes a point. Obviously it can't be restricted to just zeros, but it has to be somewhere close in my opinion. And Sheikrafanatic, your theory would give a lot of coasters inversions that don't really have them (any Intamin overbank [just by definition]).

I'm sure this could be debated just as much as whether or not S:TE is a coaster. I mean, what about Mantis's inclined loop?

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