UPDATE: Insurance company won't pay for VertiGo failure

Posted Thursday, February 13, 2003 5:18 AM | Contributed by Jeff

(Originally posted 2/12/03 9:11:28 AM) A Minnesota insurance company is refusing to pay Cedar Fair LP nearly $7.2 million in property damage claims for two torn-down VertiGo slingshot rides at Cedar Point and Knott's Berry Farm. The company says that because the rides could be repaired, following the collapse of one at Cedar Point, they were ineligible for compensation.

UPDATE: Brian Witherow, Director of Investor Relations for Cedar Fair, told CoasterBuzz this morning that, "We believe this court filing was made in error and will be withdrawn. We are currently in settlement discussions, which are proceeding in a satisfactory manner, and we expect this matter to be resolved shortly."

Read more from The Toledo Blade.

Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:12 AM
Jeff's avatar Well if the court upholds this decision, who do you suppose Cedar Fair will go after next? I'm guessing that company in Utah...

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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:31 AM
That could make an interesting story...
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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:27 AM
ApolloAndy's avatar How much does a VertiGo installation cost?

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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:31 AM
Andy,

From the 7th paragraph in the linked article...

"The $2.5 million ride, built in the summer of 2001, launched a six-seat carriage suspended from the towers by cables 300 feet into the air at 50 miles an hour."


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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:41 AM
Good, I am glad the company is not willing to pay them. The company did voultarily dismantle the ride.
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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:56 AM
Voluntarily? Well, in the literal sense...yes. But, was a cause of the collapse ever determined?

I have ridden a lot of rides but after I heard about the collapse I felt like I was less likely to ride on the thing. If there are a lot of other people out there like me then taking down the ride was probably the wise move.

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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:11 AM
ALso people.. look at this.. When refering to the $7.2 mil vs. the $2.5 mil install cost.. They are trying to get $ for BOTH the one at CP and the one at Knott's.

There are two theories to the "cause" of the failure. One is sited in the article.

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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:19 AM
Yes, the ride was repairable but cedar fair is not going to put something back up if the concern for safety is bad. Cedar Fair is always about safety and if something is not right they won't use is. Too bad that they are going to end up losing money on the deal but S&S should have checked everything before going around selling this ride to a bunch of big time parks.

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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:23 AM
Kick The Sky's avatar What I dont understand is that they tore down the ride for safety concerns, thus eliminating much more expensive possible injury lawsuits in the future. Don't you think the insurance company would have been happy to pay in that regard? That is unless there are different companies insuring rides and insuring liability. Unfortunately, they will probably have to go after S&S for the money.

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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:51 AM
Pete's avatar I don't see how Cedar Fair can make a claim on the Vertigo at Knotts. After all, there was no loss. If I dismantle my car and try to collect from the insurance company, will they pay? Of course not. This seems to be much more of a product liability / product warantee issue with S&S rather than an insurance issue. I think the insurance company is correct in only paying for the cost to repair the ride.
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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:17 AM
Funny It was determined that the park was at fault for storring the ride improperly for the offseason.

Now lets bash S&S for this????/

Chuck, who thinks CP is just going to have to eat that one.

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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:27 AM
Kick The Sky: Insurance companies are never happy to pay anything.

There are numerous issues in the this case from a technical viewpoint. From some of the things that I've heard CF might be considered at least partly to fault. However, I'm not on the inside to know all of the real issues.

A lot of what the insurance company might or might not be liable for would depend on the exact wording of their policy with CF, and I'm sure that none of us get to read CF's insurance policies. We may know more about this when the court rules, but then again sealed settlements are common.

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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:27 AM
I think that unfortunatly , CP eats going to have to eat this up and say mmmm declicous , even though, its both CP's fault for not storing the ride imporoperly and, I also think they should have investigated this before they decided to take both rides down , They could have kept them closed down , while they decide what to do I am happy that CP made a wise choice and showed that they care about the saftery of htere guests. Now unfortunatly they are probably going to go after S+S, so this isn't going t help the future for S+S Arrow at all..

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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:28 AM
I think S&S will make some kind of compromise with cedar fair. Maybe some kind of dicount on a future purchase. should be intresting to see what happens....

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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:40 AM
Jeff's avatar "Funny It was determined that the park was at fault for storring the ride improperly for the offseason."

Wrong wrong wrong.... I flat out asked the park about this. They said the ride was winterized according to what S&S said to do. I don't know where that myth came from but it was never true.

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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:49 AM
ApolloAndy's avatar What exactly is "vortex shedding"?

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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:05 AM
Apollo Andy,

Here's a link that describes Vortex Shedding... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/joetapley/fvort.htm

This site has a video where it shows a computer model of vortex shedding... http://www.fluent.com/solutions/examples/x170.htm

Here's one where the geek-speak isn't that high... http://www.mecaconsulting.com/vortex_shedding.htm

No Geekspeak at all on this...just an animation... http://ctr.stanford.edu/gallery/cyl3900.html when viewing this animation remember that this cylinder is completely stationary and when you see the wind move up and down, an un-fixed cylinder (Vertigo's Towers) would move from side to side, as well.

And one final link, which explains in geek-speak, how not just the wind past the tower creates the vortices, but that the shedding of the vortices cause a vibration (resonance) in the cylinder. Such a resonance, according to the author, also caused the collapse of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in 1940. http://www.eng.fsu.edu/~shih/succeed/cylinder/cylinder.htm

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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:17 AM
It's something related to the way winds form a cyclone or spiral pattern as they hit the poles, basically.*** This post was edited by LiftHillFan 2/12/2003 2:18:45 PM ***
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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:29 AM
Jeff, I had read that the ride was not supported by the cables as recomended by S&S and they left the towers standing free.. Now I am sorry if I am wrong here but thats what the findings in that article stated.

Chuck, who is not in the know but did read that someplace like AB or AT

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Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:05 AM
Jeff's avatar That apparently was the cause, but S&S never recommended keeping them on. The park did what they were told. If that wasn't the case, S&S would certainly have said, "Duh, we told you this would happen."

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