I got the same feeling from it too. I was just afraid that I was being a perfectionist and trying to find something wrong with it. I can't really point it out either.. it just looks kind of odd.. but I still say it'll look good.
WHEN is S&S going to break out with a DECENT sized coaster??? Timberhawk, 2600', Falken, 2000' and change... Tsunami... looks to be even shorter than Falken. I guess all the designers who knew how to do BIG coasters joined the Gravity Group... or, the economy has finally hit the Coaster world... Actually, this makes sense as nearly 75% of the new coasters listed on RCDB for 2004 seem to be spinning mice, small Woodies and other smaller rides... Heck, even the new Beemer "Golden Lion" is less than 2000 feet long. But then, there is that Silver Bullet thing... :-)
I like the profile of the ride pretty much, but I'm still a little apprehensive about Arrow engineers designing wooden coasters. It's just too dang hard to tell from those darn line drawings. You can't see any banking or real detail about the layout, just a very basic idea of the profile and footprint of the ride. I'm going to cross my fingers and wish them luck. I'll wait until we see some actual photos of the coaster going up until I start make any speculations. I'm just elated that Clementon decided to build a wood coaster instead of a metal one to (hopefully not) replace their beloved Jack Rabbit.
escher26 said: WHEN is S&S going to break out with a DECENT sized coaster??? Timberhawk, 2600', Falken, 2000' and change... Tsunami... looks to be even shorter than Falken. I guess all the designers who knew how to do BIG coasters joined the Gravity Group... or, the economy has finally hit the Coaster world... Actually, this makes sense as nearly 75% of the new coasters listed on RCDB for 2004 seem to be spinning mice, small Woodies and other smaller rides... Heck, even the new Beemer "Golden Lion" is less than 2000 feet long. But then, there is that Silver Bullet thing... :-)
Its not what the company wants to put out, its moreless what the park wants to purchase. Coasters dont have to be thousands of feet long to be a great coaster. You can get almost the same effect of a larger scale coaster on a small coaster if the ratio of events on the small coaster are similar to the large coaster. The only difference would be the speed but then that wont really change because if you analyze it, if your going 55mph then you fly over a 65ft hill you can get the same effect if you were going, lets say 45mph then over a 35ft hill. the speed and height changed, however the ratio didnt so the negative and positive G's are relatively the same.
Personally i would prefer small coasters over the big ones......they seem to be the only ones that use all the speed up to the brakes instead of having all kind of trims slowing it down................
Are you willing to purchase one out of your pocket.........when it balls down to it, its all about what the park wants and what they can afford. The real world isnt roller coaster tycoon!! Now, they do consider what the population wants but there like heck, we're paying for this and we're getting whats economically and whats feasible for the time and spendable quota. The parks knows that people want thrill rides, but they realize thats only a portion of what they want. Im like this.........if the park is happy and if they have a good turn out then im please. its not all about insane rides or anything like that. If you look closely at park-goers........you have more kids and older adults vs. speed and height hungry teens going so i think that moderate size coasters are a great addition to any park.
Ya just cant "thrill" em' all (heh heh) *** Edited 12/7/2003 2:42:55 PM UTC by coasterbruh***
Some people are just never happy, eck. A 110ft woodie will top at 57-58 mph and with a course that leans more on the short size, heck it might be one powerful woodie. (assuming no evilness is done to it i.e. trim breaks).
Dante, who thinks the new coaster IS a decent sized woodie, especially for a small park like Clementon.
The only real fun woodies are small ones. I haven't been on anything wooden much above 100ft that I actually liked. I think the taller woodies get, the rougher they are, an I'm just not into getting bruised or having my skeleton disarranged by a coaster at all. So - there. The S&S thing looks fun. It looks a little like a symphony with a strange middle section - like, it starts with a big swooping forte in the brass and ends with an (somewhat repetitive and overly spread-out) airtime-finale of Tutti-arpeggios, but in the middle - instead of a "development" section, there's some strange unmotivated knot of hi-G endurance droning happening, before the lightness and clearness returns. It seems like the overall form of it is somewhat odd. There should either be some more curves at the start (like between the lift hill and the first drop) or the helixes should be spread out more instead of forming a single concentrated spaghetti bowl. But hey... its a coaster, not music.
Oh - wait - the helixes aren't even very G-ish.. they are actually quite elevated, so its basically more like a little mezzoforte-interlude by the woodwinds - or a string quartet quoting a quasi-children-song-version of the big bad helix on sfmm goliath. Or is it in the end - just another one of those ever-the-same straight-from-the-conveyor-belt coastertunes intonated by a cellphone at the dinner table next to you when your date was just about to get real interesting? Well, we'll see about that. *** Edited 12/7/2003 10:13:30 PM UTC by superman***
I also like alot of short woodies. I don't think I've ever judged a coaster by it's size. I have lots of fun on the Dania Beach Hurrican every year when I go down to Florida. I'm not saying that I don't like taller woodies, but I think that shorter woodies should get credit too (they do alot of times, but I don't think that shortness will be a problem on Tsunami)
I have a feeling that their first attempt at a woodie wasn't the norm. EV is a small family park, and I'm sure they weren't looking for a monster in their new coaster. I think their next few efforts will be a little more favorable in the eyes of enthusiasts. And speaking of their next few efforts... Has anyone seen the layout or stats for the new Dells S&S woodie? I haven't heard much aside from the fact that the it's a woodie, and it's S&S.
i agree with everything except my tsunami coaster will be 3000' and some change so it wont be shorter than falken. as far as the loayout though, remember that this coaster will dive 105' towards the lake and our log flume. and this woodie puts new jersey woodie count to 3.