Tony Hawk at SFStL for 2007!
And a Boomerang does suck when compared to Mr. Freeze. Not sure how that's relevant.
*** Edited 2/14/2007 3:53:02 AM UTC by Mamoosh***
AV Matt
Long live the Big Bad Wolf
DWeaver said:Run better parks with better customer service and better food. *That's* the dead horse lying right their in the middle of the road!
I saw him trying to get up, DWeaver...I'll swear to it! ;)
Moosh, IF I got to SFStL this year I will ride it. The park has just really pissed me off the last few years and I don't even know if I'll waste my time with it this year.
AV Matt
Long live the Big Bad Wolf
Swoosh said:
I know I am beating a dead horse here, but how quickly we forget that this is Missouri and most people do visit all of the parks in the same season here in this state.
Does anyone have a good estimate for what SFStl's annual attendance is? Because I kinda find this hard to believe.
Acoustic Viscosity said:
Even with Patriot and Mamba, I would guess most "locals" would pick SFStL over WoF if distance wasn't a factor and they couldn't do both. So in that regard, SF doesn't need anything to draw the WoF crowd away, so copying their ride isn't going to hurt. However, I do think WoF needs to worry more about out-doing SFStL. The Boomerang makes me roll my eyes, especially considering what used to be in its place.
I think that somewhat depends on who it is. As the parks go I think WOF is actually a better park and I think it's SFStL who is actually playing catch-up. I see this evidence by the last two additions that they added, were copies of rides that WOF already had. I think SFStL used to be better, and I think it's rep has carried on pretty well. I still do agree that most local families would choose SFStL over WOF, but I think the bigger selling point would be the free waterpark. I think Patriot is better than Batman(definately a lot smoother, and has better transitions from differnet elements) and to me both Mr. Freeze and Boomerang can be a wash because I think both are pretty bad as they both had restraint issues that cause insta-headache. Timberwolf is about the same as Screaming Eagle, when TW has it's good days anyway, however the Boss is much better, but honestly Mamba is probably the best coaster between the two parks.
With that said I honestly think both WOF and SFStL are too worried about each other and not worried enough about SDC as neither has taken big leaps in the past few years, the only major addition in recent years is the Patriot and while different from Batman, it's still not unique, and SFStL redid the kiddie area, which was badly needed, but still can't hold a candle to the Grand Expo @ SDC. So as everyone has already said it comes down to how to who runs a park better.
I find it amazing that SDC can continually draw over 1 million every year and WOF and SFStL cannot. Of course like many have said, a lot deals with the package that you are selling. Better food, environment, and staff goes a long way with people. Why else would I have made 30+ trips to a park that is 5 hours away from my house last year? I made 3 to SFStL and 23 to WoF, though 10 of those trips to WOF were during Halloweekends.
The attendance at SFSL is always higher than WOF, even if they are in the same (general) size of a market and the park are silimar in size.
Swoosh said:
I know I am beating a dead horse here, but how quickly we forget that this is Missouri and most people do visit all of the parks in the same season here in this state.
If SFStL really does 1.3 mill a year that means that the majority, or more than 650,000 attendees at SFStL a year also visit WoF.
From googling it looks like WoF does around 800,000 a year which would mean that more than 80% of people at a given day at WoF are visiting SFStL in the same season. I just can't believe it's even close to that, and that's not even taking into consideration SDC.
I find it amazing that SDC can continually draw over 1 million every year and WOF and SFStL cannot. Of course like many have said, a lot deals with the package that you are selling. Better food, environment, and staff goes a long way with people. Why else would I have made 30+ trips to a park that is 5 hours away from my house last year? I made 3 to SFStL and 23 to WoF, though 10 of those trips to WOF were during Halloweekends.
It has less to do with deals, food, and enviroment and more to do with the fact that Branson ranks #1 in US tourism. I'm surprised SDC doesn't draw more!
There are two types of people in the world. People who like coasters and idiots.
www.freewebs.com/alexibrahim (new forums have been added)
I would hope SDC gets over 1 million visitors a year. There open what almost year round?
For figures on SFSTL's past attendance levels, click here
http://www.sfstl.net/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&Itemid=38
Also comparing SDC to SFSTL unfortunately since 1998 is like comparing apples and oranges. Ones a theme park and ones an amusement park.
Oh Swoosh one last thing, if you don't like the park don't go. *** Edited 2/15/2007 5:39:50 AM UTC by Bossstl***
When they start taking CARE of their park, then I will "like" it. I just remember what it used to be and it is a mere shadow of that now. I don't understand how you being a fanboy can stand to watch your park fall apart. I know you work there and have been backstage like I have and seen first hand how bad the facades are getting. Peeling paint everywhere -- half*** repaint jobs -- to make a new ride look good. Please, I think they have given enough ammo.
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