TOGO Coasters, whats wrong?

This is my first topic in a while so dont get mad. Is it me or do TOGO coasters seem to have unfriendly roughness? Like the Manhatten Express from what I heard is as rough as heck, and then the Viper and SFGadv just got torn down too. My friends' friend's mom went on the Viper and her earring came out! Do you think Togo is a bad coaster designing company?

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Whoa! Stop the presses. SFGadv. got torn down? I'm just kidding with you (read your post). By the way, is there ever such a thing as friendly roughness at a themepark (besides the bumper cars at Knoebels)? Viper, was simply brutal. There was too much happening in too small of a space. There were only two elements on the ride--an inline twist--which is where most people experienced neck problems, and then the Ultra Twister-like spiral followed by a sharp turn that didn't feel good either. Good riddance.

They are working on Mahattan Express, according to Screamscape. They are trying out new trains (they have pictures), which apparently need more modification before they're put into permanent use. There's a video floating out there of someone riding ME, and he's truly hating life the whole time. Well, Shockwave at PKD still stands and it's not too bad of a ride. King Kobra at PKI, however, is for sale if anyone wants it.

TOGO is Japanese for Try Once, Get Off!

I actually kinda liked Viper to an extent. The problem I had with the ride was the over the shoulder retraints. Instead of rotating down like most do, they were pulled straight down. It was very easy for them to go too low forcing you to slouch in the seat. Going through those inversions while slouched with scrunched up shoulders is what caused the pain for me.

I heard somewhere that alot of the TOGO's over in Japan/China aren't nearly as brutal as the ones over here.

As I've said many times, I'm am a carrier of the rare Togo Tolerance Gene™ :)

Viper - dug it. Always thought the ride was 'powerful' rather than rough.

Manhattan Express - I'd argue that it just may be the best coaster in Vegas.

Shockwave - An interesting alternative to the B&M stand-ups.

Never really had a problem with my limited exposure to them. :)

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P18 is correct. The Togos over in Japan I rode were awesome. In America...yuck.

They suffer from many of the same engineering flaws as Arrows and Vekomas.

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"It was very easy for them to go too low forcing you to slouch in the seat. Going through those inversions while slouched with scrunched up shoulders is what caused the pain for me."

This would only happen if you pulled them down too much in the station initially, as they eventually locked them a second time. Once this happened, you couldn't pull them up or down at all, so at least they couldn't fall down on your during the ride like many other restraints.

I've only ridden a small number of TOGO coasters. I didn't HATE Viper at SFGAdv. It certainly wasn't a fav, but I'd be willing to give it a ride if it was open if the line wasn't long. To me, you had to ride that thing defensively, but it was kinda a powerful ride, as LG said.

As for TOGO standups vs. B&M, the only thing I like better about the TOGO ones is the "seat", which is better padded and more comfortable than the B&M ones.

I also liked that the Viper trains had A LOT of legroom, unlike many of the Arrow looper trains.

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Actually I had a pretty decent ride on shockwave last year,hoping I'll get the same on my trip next week.

When it comes to roughness on coasters I guess the japanese must have a higher pain threshold than some of us americans...same thing goes for the vekomas as well.

Batwingfan: ALmost all Togos in Japan are not rough. None of the ones I rode were, and I've only heard of a single Togo there that was noteworthy for being rough.

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My Togo rankings (as if you care, LOL):

King Cobra, PKI
Skyrider, PCW
ME, Nascar Cafe
Viper, SFGAdv
Ultratwister, SFAW
Shockwave, PKD

I do not possess the "rare Togo Tolerance Gene™" that Gonch and others seem to have, but they're not as awful as some would suggest....except that disaster in Virginia, that one's horrendous (and Ultratwister even dislocated a rib)!
*** Edited 8/4/2006 6:00:45 PM UTC by rollergator***

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Peabody said:
P18 is correct. The Togos over in Japan I rode were awesome. In America...yuck.

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I guess if Bush rode or knew anything about coasters he would have identified TOGO as incognito terrorists by now. *** Edited 8/4/2006 7:06:54 PM UTC by P18***

^^ ME is at NY, NY, not at Nascar Cafe.

So, Ultra Twister is worse than Viper? I wouldn't think it would be that bad. It doesn't have any horizontal turns like Viper.

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King Kobra is still my all time favorite standup. How in the world PKD's Shockwave ended up being so awful is beyond me...yuck.

I don't understand the point of the "new" train on Manhattan Express. It'll never be right with those stupid should things. When I was there the first week of July, it regularly ran with empty seats.

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PKD's standup has a different layout that KK and Skyrider, which are similar if I'm not mistaken. I think the ending on Shockwave is more compact than the other 2, and the one turn isn't banked as much.

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I'm sure part of the problem with ME is that it's hidden in the casino and once you get there, it's something like $13 to ride.

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Peabody said:I've only heard of a single Togo there that was noteworthy for being rough.

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...and the winner is Fujin Raijin II at Expoland! ;)

Yikes!!!!!

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I just went on Manhatan Express recently (2 weeks ago) and it was really smooth compaired to when I went on it 6 years ago.

The trains no have the half shoulder harnes lap bar compaired to the old full shoulder harnes with lap bar.

In the front row it is awsome. It is cool being able to see the Las Vegas strip.

My only TOGO experiences were on Shockwave at PKD and Ultratwister at SFAW. I actually enjoyed them both, Shockwave being a big surprise.

I guess they just arent for everybody, but IMO, even though I havent ridden many, is that they really arent all that bad.