Yes they are coasters and yes they are torture devices. I rode the one at Little A'Merrick'A as well and I had to duck my head down for them to close the cage. My back hurt for the rest of the day. I will never ride one of those again. It was actually rougher than Shockwave(SFGAm)!
----------------- Bob Hansen
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"So you think your'e really brave, gonna see the DEMONS cave. You silly dude, your'e only food, for the DEMON"
Now now, remember that 'hate' is a very strong word. Who cares? I hate it too. :) I do not consider it a roller coaster because the speed does not exceed 20 MPH and it is very short. That is my opinion though. As an enthusiast, I have the freedom to make that choice.
There is a difference. I have ridden the Toboggan and I hate it. I have not ridden LTD. 3 of my important criteria for roller coasters are, a. How fast? b. How long? c. Do I hate it? The toboggan meets all 3 so it does not classify as a roller coaster. Leap the Dips may be a great coaster but I cannot classify it otherwise because I have not been on it and the 3rd condition has not been tested. It all comes down to a bias I guess. Plus, leap the dips is classic vintage material with an interesting history. I see nothing interesting or important about the Toboggan.
*** This post was edited by Vipper on 8/16/2002. ***
Does a toboggan roll? As far as I know it does, it uses wheels to stay on a track, doesn't it? Does it coast? Yes, just like any rollercoaster. Therefore it's a rollercoaster. If it's not a coaster, I guess Jr Gemini isn't either, it's 7 feet shorter than a tobaggan, and goes less than 6 mph, and sounds boring, so I wouldn't like it.
Now that Chance and Morgan are one, maybe we'll be seeing a hyper toboggan soon. I hope thats what SFGAm gets next year! ;)
*** This post was edited by TrBiggar on 8/16/2002. ***
A hyper toboggan? That would be interesting. I can see it now...it blasts you up the 90 degree lift at 60mph and takes you through that downward spiral at 75mph. I would get in line for that one. :) Also, allow me to reiterate that the toboggan not being a coaster is just *MY* opinion. More specifically, if someone asks me to list roller coasters, that one will most likely be left out, as it is not *MY* idea of a coaster. I should have said that from the start. Should have, could have, didn't. Hey, it's Friday and Mr. Brain is in shutdown mode.
First of all, on the tower, there is a third rail. A tire on the bottom of the car rides on that third rail; the tire is connected to a hydraulic clutch in the car and serves as a speed governor as the car comes down the tower. It does nothing to advance the car, it just keeps it from going too fast.
Second, when you get to the bottom of the tower, if you have your legs stretched out in front of you, this is where you reposition yourself as follows: Put your feet flat on the floor and draw your legs back as far as you possibly can, lifting your knees and wedging your thighs against the bottom of the lap bar. The purpose of this is to prevent you from bumping your head on the car roof when you go through the two dips at the end of the ride.
Am I the only one who does not consider this thing a torture device? I actually find it to be quite entertaining, especially since I learned to ride the way RideMan describes to avoid bashing my head against the roof.
It is undeniably a roller coaster. In fact, it is higher, longer, and faster than a lot of kiddie coasters.
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Vipper said: 3 of my important criteria for roller coasters are, a. How fast? b. How long? c. Do I hate it? ...It all comes down to a bias I guess. ...leap the dips is classic vintage material with an interesting history.
Wow! If I use your criteria than I can't consider Nitro a roller coaster. Better take it off my list...
I've only been on the Toboggan at Lakemont and I definitely consider it a coaster. I was surprised that I didn't hit my head on the roof of the car considering I'm a little over 6 feet tall. I only hope that the toboggan at CLP opens soon.
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It does indeed. The ratchet pawl has a very much positive engagement with the anti-rollback rack along the track. Combine that with the acoustic characteristics of a circular steel tube, and even though it's only about 30' to the top of the tower, that's probably long enough to do significant hearing damage.... :)