This just can't happen!!! Not at Cedar Point Anywa

Thursday, May 18, 2000 5:44 PM
How can the greatest coaster at the greatest park on earth possibly fail to make it up the third hill???? Rumor has it the MF was closed all day while they removed the red train one car at a time from the removable track section just before the third hill.The Frontier Trail and the Railroad were also closed to keep the onlookers to a minimum.Could CP have rushed the testing process a bit to open on time(much like another park has been accused of doing) ??? Wonder what reason the folks were given at the park today when the MF didn't open. Wonder how long it will be down? Was anyone at the park today to confirm this rumor? Does anyone have pictures???
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Thursday, May 18, 2000 5:59 PM
Well, it looks like this "coaster virus" is going around. Ohio residents, dose up on vitamin C and bundle up, you don't want to catch whatever it is that MF and SOB seem to have.
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Thursday, May 18, 2000 6:22 PM
is the rumor actually the truth??
it is slow over that third hill but i could hardly see it stopping unless there was a outer condition affecting the ride(like something on the track, or the trains wheels were not spining freely)
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Thursday, May 18, 2000 6:30 PM
Rides actually roll back more often then you would think. At CP alone I can think of MS rolling back a last year and Gemini when it's not loaded with the shot bags will often roll back. MF will probaly be running again this weekend.
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Thursday, May 18, 2000 7:23 PM
I haven't heard it from the park, but apparently enough people were there today to see a rollback. Am I shocked? No. I figured it might happen sooner or later. Like Superman at Darien Lake, this thing can't run cold and empty.

The fact that it could run that slow sure does explain why everyone seems to have had a different ride.

Oh well, I can pretty much guarantee they won't test without water dummies now!

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Thursday, May 18, 2000 7:24 PM
hey Woody!!!

Well heheheheheheheheheheh.... Its about "darn" time!!! This is great! HAHAHAH I needed this.. I was about ready to kill someone because PKI doesn't know if SOB is going to be open this weekend. But I guess we don't know if this is completly true do we...

Woody... I'm just giving you a hard time! heehehe Just joking around!

But I find little wird that a 3 stage testing workout wouldn't show any signs of anytype of rollback! If someone would get pics I would feel more inclined to believe these posts!

Don't get me wrong guys! I believe this... but I have never heard of any type of rollback before. I have seen it on PKI's Face/Off but that was only to fix a car problem. So it would be great if anyone has pics of rollbacks!
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Thursday, May 18, 2000 7:37 PM
It happens all the time. Take Darien's Superman, the first Intamin hyper. Rolled back on the first run. You will never see them test it in the morning without water dummies.

Gemini will rollback when cold and empty if not filled with the shot (or sand?) bags. In the old days they would get crews from surrounding rides to test every morning.

Raptor has rolled back from a strong wind, I think between the cobra roll and the mid-course. Mean Streak has rolled back several times, and I think we all know why.

The point I'm getting at here is that it has nothing to do with testing. I don't have to tell you that someone is going to chewed out, and you'll be seeing test runs with water dummies from now on.

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Thursday, May 18, 2000 7:40 PM
I don't know why Mean Streek rolls back... Why?
Does anyone know if PKI has rollbacks? And What rides? Where?

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Thursday, May 18, 2000 7:50 PM
Thanks Jeff, I think BEAST was referring to me and the testing thing. Proper tests were made and MF came through like a champ. MF has one flaw and people start acting like MFs. Isn't true that sometimes they don't run Magnum with people in the back car to make sure it elevates to 141 feet on its second hill? I know it has to do with the wind a ride op told me once. I have heard and read many things related to this topic. Coasters will do this for many reasons. Sousa breathe between laughs will ya! I know I had it coming... hee, hee =0). Please, don't start a park war again. We've have exhausted each and every reason why we still head to the Point!

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Thursday, May 18, 2000 7:55 PM
I can see some rides rolling back but think about MFs specs on the third hill. Its 186 ft tall. It has nearly all its speed going into it from a 310 ft hill.!!! I cant see it losing that much speed jsut from the first turn and ground turn.
I know it gets ove rthat hill slow, but that is compared to the rest of the ride going 90ish. the truth is that car actually goes over that hill around what I would guess at 35mph-40mph

Jeff you have a explanation?
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Thursday, May 18, 2000 7:56 PM
Woody

Ohh I won't again.. I was just saying that I saw one on Face/Off.. but it was done intencenally (SP) That is all... I can't fight that battle and you know that!... But I do want to see pics if anyone has them !

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Thursday, May 18, 2000 8:35 PM
The fierce storms we just had here in Chicago are heading toward CPs direction. They have hurricane force winds. This should be a real test to MF holding up. Aside from that it amazes me that no one bashed CP for this problem. Why??? Because the almighty CP can do no wrong. If this happened at any other park, the bashing would begin. Even though this could happen at any park I am still floored that CP slides when it comes to this.
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Thursday, May 18, 2000 8:47 PM
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One reason I am not "bashing" is because I got my word in with the one I cared to bash! (Turn-about is fairplay) And we have all fought this battle one too many times and franky we are just "beating a dead horse." because (hehe woody this one is for you) we all know PKI is the best park in the world... CP just payed people to vote for them....

*NOTE* I am complety kidding. So no one jump down my back

Another reason is because it is a new ride... This park couldn't help it from rollingback... but PKI could have done somthing about the whole SOB thing! (As we have discussed many of times before)

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*** This post was edited by Sousa129 on 5/19/2000. ***
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Thursday, May 18, 2000 8:49 PM
The difference being that a rollback is a somewhat common occurance with coasters. It's happened to almost every major park at some point. Is it a big deal, yes. Anytime you have to take the cars off with a crane it's a big deal. It's not, however, a PR problem like you have at another Ohio park, which made everyone mad for a different reason than actual mechanical problems. That being said, if some of the more serious rumors are true, then that would be a completely different story.
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Thursday, May 18, 2000 8:55 PM
Hey Sousa- We all know that you PKI people get so worked up over the topic because you know deep down in your heart that CP is actually the best park in all the land :)

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Thursday, May 18, 2000 8:59 PM
For my sake... I said and I quote "*NOTE* I am complety kidding. So no one jump down my back"
But I wouldn't know the best park because I haven't been to CP. I plan to go this year!


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Thursday, May 18, 2000 9:03 PM
i'm just easing:) You know, playing off of your lightened tone. I thought what you said was funny:) We all have our own favorites and i'm not going to hold it against anyone because they don't agree with me. It's just fun to argue from time to time.
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Thursday, May 18, 2000 9:08 PM
Okay.. Just making sure I wasn't starting "Park World War 2" I was getting worried... Woody and I went at it alittle the other day! But yea as of now I will defend PKI until I die... Or go to CP what ever comes first... hopefuly CP comes first!

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Friday, May 19, 2000 5:39 AM
Sousa... you need to settle down a bit and just deal with differing opinions. Every thread you participate in you turn in to a pissing match park war, and that's really not necessary.

Back to the topic at hand... Anyone familiar with Intamin's first hyper and that train design (http://www.coasterbuzz.com/coasters/coaster.asp?CoasterID=36) knows just how variable these things run. Time a morning test run on S:ROS or MF and compare it to a run with a human loaded train after several hours of operation. The difference will be substantial because the rides are so much faster when fully loaded and warm.

I watched MF test five different mornings, and everytime I shook my head wondering why they didn't run with water dummies.

Is it a design flaw? I don't know, I'm not an engineer. Is Cedar Point at fault? For running empty trains, yes, but I'm not sure if Intamin is to blame for the design. Many of us have been on the ride midday with temperatures in the 70's and found massive air over that third hill, so it isn't too big of a peak.

When it comes down to it, we're looking at the introduction of mother nature. Strong wind has stopped several of CP's coasters, including Raptor and Magnum (and stopping on the pretzel can't be fun). Now they know, and it probably won't happen again.

This year's new release rollbacks include: Millennium Force, Villain, Son of Beast, The Boss and others.

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Friday, May 19, 2000 1:59 PM
Sousa, be honest... Do you sleep through your first hour class? I don't know anybody with this much energy to stay up until 1am to post, when 6 hours later you head to school. Great Stamina!! "Pissing wars", is this aloud?? Anyways, to further the question I asked in the 9th post... I heard that the Magnum runs with no riders in the back car sometimes on windy days so that the wind resistance will not "roll back" the train on the 2nd hill. (The wind is pretty tough off the lake sometimes)
Is this true? I would just like to know...
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