Think SFWoA is scrambling?

Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:06 PM
Now that CP's 2002 ride has been known about for A while, do you think SFWoA is going to get  a part of that 140 million SF is spending this year? Esspecially sense CP's ride is an updated version of one of thier best! You think a large animal attraction ie: whale show is in store? Or do you think a major thrill ride?
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:16 PM
Ummm, known about for a while? It's barely been twelve hours!
My fellow Americans, let's roll!
I pray that I will never see a Six Flags Conneaut Lake
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:46 PM
SFWoA has stated that in the future (hopefully soon) that there will be Orca's coming to the park. I live about 35 minutes away and I heard it on the Cleveland news about a month or so ago. But then again, Cleveland news is known to be wrong.
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:36 PM
I think SFWoA should chill for a was a big risk to consolidate the park and build THAT many new coasters in such a short period of time.

I think the park is great! It may seem small compared to CP or PKI but if you count it up, they have a pretty strong set of rides, and the addition of the Sea World stuff makes the park unique. Heck, it's got as many big thrill rides as SFGAm which seems to be regarded as a bigger park. (Maybe it is landwise, but that just means you have to walk farther between rides!)

Spending too much too fast means something else has got to good staff or proper maintenance.

SFWoA gets my #1 ranking as the most pleasant park of it's size. Let's give them time to learn the ropes and get their service people and ride-ops all up to the fine OHIO standards set by CP and PKI.

It'll happen......and we will be the winners.


Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:20 PM
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:31 PM
ya people don't give SFWoA much credit. That park has lots of potential!
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:50 PM
SFWoA is THE largest park in Ohio 750 some acres if i remember right.I love that park,and ummm... i think that the whales are coming next year two of em,one from france and one from Argentina.And i think that next year they might put in that animal attraction and try for the hyper again.

I think there just gonna do minor things this off-season to improve the park a little bit.AKA:Beauty,staff,and little fun things that count u know?

O and I HOPE they reduce prices.[ahem]3dollapop![ahem]

*** This post was edited by Nitro230 on 11/20/2001. ***

Tuesday, November 20, 2001 4:51 PM
john peck's avatar Premier Parks (now Six Flags) have owned that park for over 6 years, and it continues to decline in Guest Relations. So, until they can actually run the park properly and efficently, and not be at odds with their neighbors, I would prefer them to not add anything else.
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 6:57 PM
Jeff's avatar I think that park is in a world of hurt. First of all, what were they thinking by combinging the parks? Why would you take roughly 3 million visitors between the two of them and consolodate that? I've heard from People Who Know(TM) that thier gate was a little over 1.5 million. That's a step in the wrong direction.

There are a hundred things I don't get about that park from a business standpoint. I really thought the addition of four world-class rides would have been the foundation for a new era, but it has been anything but that so far.

Jeff - Webmaster/Admin -
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

Tuesday, November 20, 2001 8:53 PM
No matter what they do, they will never be able to match PKI or CP.  Those two parks are the crown jewels of their respective chains and will always build the newest and best rides available.  Six Flags has to know that they can't overtake either PKI or CP without making a gigantic investment in SFWoA, and the presence of these larger parks leaves little room for medium sized parks like the current SFWoA.  Either Six Flags should turn up the kettle and go at it all out or get out of the coaster wars and rely on other types of attractions (like more whales) to draw in visitors.  That's a very good point Jeff, about combining parks.  But who knows, maybe they could become the first zoo that also has several rollercoasters in it.
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 8:59 PM

quailroberts said:
But who knows, maybe they could become the first zoo that also has several rollercoasters in it.

It can't be the first. BGT already is a zoo with several coasters, and also SWT.

Hi! I'm Hungry, whats your name?

Wednesday, November 21, 2001 1:34 AM

Nitro230 said:
SFWoA is THE largest park in Ohio 750 some acres if i remember right.

Sorry. Isn't PKI like 1,000 or something?
Hey Jeff, was your post sarcastic, or were there really only 1.5m people? And now 3m?
My fellow Americans, let's roll!
I pray that I will never see a Six Flags Conneaut Lake

*** This post was edited by bigkirby on 11/21/2001. ***

Wednesday, November 21, 2001 1:52 AM
john peck's avatar Ouch Jeff, until now I thought the two parks combined was a good thing, but your right, you do lose about half your money when combining.

I'll tell ya, from all the negative comments I heard from guests this year (and I don't even work there), you can bet that they wont even hit that many guests next year.

See, last year, I actually enjoyed the shows more than the rides, and it wasen't due to what kind of rides they have, its the whole operation and capacity of them that ruined my experience.

Among that park, there are many bright stars that work there, but until that park can improve itself, that light is going to fade.

Wednesday, November 21, 2001 2:12 AM
It seems to me that combining the parks was a move toward making WoA a more family oriented destination.  Families spend a ton of money at the parks.  Believe me, I know!  I'm not going to take the kids to CP so they can stand in line for 3 hours for a ride they can't even ride.  At WoA, I can use Fastpass to ride the coasters and still have time for the kiddie rides, animal shows and water park. 
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 2:44 AM
granted the park did build some knew rides but compared to other parks like CP and KI they built nothing that you can't get at another park and I think getting (2) whales is just not going to make the people come like a world breaking coaster in my opinion if you build it they will come build a 350 foot coaster and you will see-em coming from all over but SFWOA has a height restriction and remember their next to a residential area that don't wont large coasters or major thrill rides - (that's just what I think)


*** This post was edited by Mr. Mouse on 11/21/2001. ***

Wednesday, November 21, 2001 3:05 AM
Mr. Mouse.  Believe it or not, families do like the sea life shows.  My kids were so disapointed last year when Shamu wasn't there.  Shure, big coasters do bring in teens but they are not the main concern of families.  As far as them building nothing you can't get at other parks, how about a B&M floorless, a Flying Duchman, and a first of it's kind impulse.  Where else in Ohio or PA can you ride those?  Sure WoA isn't perfect, but you can't beat it for value and variety.
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:20 AM
I think the only scrambling SFWOA needs to do is upgrade their customer service. Perhaps, some training sessions for their employees and ride-ops in customer service would best serve this park. Its has great rides and will eventually add more. To compare SFWOA to CP is wrong, just like comparing different rollercoasters to each other. Each park is unique for its own reasons.
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:29 AM
they still have a flying and a floorless wich cp does not have all they need is a hyper
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:35 AM
Mr. Mouse said:
"granted the park did build some knew rides but compared to other parks like CP and KI they built nothing that you can't get at another park ..."

When did CP or KI get a flying coaster? X-Flight is awesome!
Did both of those parks just put in floorless coasters or something? Batman Knight Flight RULES!!! (my personal favorite)
Also, I can see how combining the 2 parks caused a decrease in attendance. I was one of the people that used to visit BOTH parks on my trips to the Aurora area. Now, with my SF Season's pass I get both parks for can't beat that (as far as I'm concerned) but, I can definitely see how it could hurt their attendance numbers.*** This post was edited by jgfama on 11/21/2001. ***

*** This post was edited by jgfama on 11/21/2001. ***

Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:44 AM
Well, with that analogy sfmm15, SFWoA does not have a B&M inverted, a stand-up, a giga, a hyper or a high-story freefall/blast.

After reading Jeff's post, they should have kept both parks seperate. Families loved Shamu! That whale was an icon. Maybe the new orca's will bring some of that magic back, but the name Shamu is still gone. This park does need to cool it because they spent so much money the last 2 years, but they need to think of ways to unify these 2 parks in a better way and that takes $$$$$.


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