The impossible is possible

Saturday, March 23, 2002 9:13 AM

Why does everyone say "Oh, you can't do that, that's too many G's?" Yes, maybe now. I'm no engineer, but throughout the history of coasters people have been wrong. I'm sure John Miller thought it was utterly impossible to have a coaster over 100 ft. let alone 400. People thought that 7 inversons was the max, and now there's 10 inversion coasters. Not to but on you Jeff, but a stand up woodie may be in our future. A company is probably going to make one in the future, so don't say its impossible because when it does come true, somebody is gonna save that post and bring it back and rub it in your face. It's just like people said we would never goto the moon, and look what happened.

Glenn- who knows this topic is going to be closed withing 5 minutes of its posting

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 9:22 AM
Why would you want a stand up woodie? That would defeat the purpose. You can't get NEARLY the amount of airtime on a stand up coaster train as you can on a regular wooden train. Plus, wow i'm standing up on a wooden coaster. Yippe, the only difference is just that. Just because you put stand up trains on a wooden coaster doesn't mean you can make a freakin corkscrew or barrel roll out of wood. Plus, by making a stand up woodie, that would jak up the price of the coaster by probably double easily due to the amount of wood you would need so it could withstand the even heavier trains. Also, you would probably want the track wider if it would use a regular B&M type train so that makes it even more expensive. All in all, a Stand up woodie would probably cost around $20 million or more! Who the hell wants to pay that much for a gimmack? Seriously.

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 9:29 AM
Seriously, Cedar Point would ;) They'd pay any amount of money for a crappy coaster just to stay ahead in the 'coaster race'. Plus, maybe it would be a good investment for a park, a first ever standup woodie. It would draw crowds no doubt. Who says you can't make a wooden barrel roll? There's a freakin wooden loop, is there not? Besides that, making the track wider wouldn't be an issue, considering the fact that new trains could be made. Plus, the amount of wood may double, but parks are willing to pay the price for a one of a kind ride. Seriously.

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 9:31 AM

So Glenn are you saying that you are fully expecting a 200 mph, 200 looping, stand up inverted flying floorless, 1000 feet tall, ending in dive into a lake with no tunnel coaster?

Also you are saying we should believe every rumor because "when it comes true they will rub it in our face"?

There are some things that sound impossible now and they may very well come true in the future but by the time that any of these "out there" rumors even do come true we will be living in outter space. A flying, wooden, stand up, inverted, 600 looping, 900 mph, that pulls 60 gs, 1000 foot tall, with no space suits or any other form of protection ecept a lap bar, wild mouse coaster will NEVER be built.

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 9:36 AM
Reasonably, no that crap will never come true. A stand up woodie is withing reason. It could happen. No one has proven that it can't. No one can withstand 60 G's, because it is proven. I'm not saying every rumor that omes true should be rubbed in someones face, this isn't a rumor. It's an idea that could actually come true. Until its proven wring, a 200 mph coaster can be built. Who says it can't?

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 9:38 AM
LOL, good one Sponge Bob. Just reading what Glenn is writing is making my day, seriously. You must be smoking like the dankest weed in the world right now or something man. Stay off those drugs ;)

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 10:49 AM
"You can't build a coaster taller than 200'."
(ref: Magnum XL-200)

"Wood coasters over 100' are always terrible."
(ref: Shivering Timbers)

"You can't put a loop on a wood coaster."
(ref: Son of Beast)

"You can't go upside-down without shoulder-bars."
(ref: Anton Schwarzkopf)

"Okay, so you can't do a Corkscrew without shoulder bars."
(ref: Jim Seay)

"You can't have a free-fall without a run-out at the bottom."
(ref: Hellevator)

"You can't build a wood coaster over 200' tall."
(ref: Son of Beast)

"There isn't enough room for a 300' tall coaster at Cedar Point."
(ref: Millennium Force)

"You can't do a stand-up free-fall."
(ref: Apocalypse)

"You can't have a 90-degree drop."
(ref. Hypersonic XLC)

"You can't go 100 MPH."
(ref. Dodonpa)

I'm of the opinion that engineers in general are pretty smart people, and amusement ride engineers in particular are not only smart, but creative. To say that something is "impossible" seems to be not a statement of fact, but rather a challenge to someone who is willing to spend the effort and money to give it a try. I think just about anything can be done.

As to whether a thing should be done...well, that's another matter entirely.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 10:58 AM
That explains it perfectly Ride Man, its just that we will never run out of rollercoaster creativity.

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 11:29 AM

It's really not a question can they build a standup wooden coaster ...But why should they?

LOL whats next a wooden 4~D ?

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 11:55 AM

You guys don't get the point...he was using the wooden stand-up as an example.

Hell if there is a will and lot's of cash I'm willing to bet anything can be done. I truly think a stand-up inverted can and will be done.

If you think about it standing up on a coaster creates a different feel, inverted coasters also create a diff. feel...put them together and you have a whole new feel to a coaster. It would prob. be one of those "craze for a few years" type coaster like the original stand-up was...but still how much money would that "craze" be worth to the companies?

If you were an engineer desiging these rides would you laugh in a parks face if they asked for a stand-up woodie? You sure as hell wouldn't if you wanted them to keep coming to you for coasters...especially a chain like SF with lot's of park locations.

It all comes down to whether the people really want the ride...the company is willing to design it...and there is enough money to finance the research and developement of a ride. If a stand-up invert isn't created by the time I hope to be working at one of these companies...maybe I'd be the one to propose the idea...who knows.

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 12:38 PM
Maybe a standup woodie is pointless, overly expensive, and would have terrible queue times, but I'd ride it. :)
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Saturday, March 23, 2002 12:44 PM
How about an inverted woodie?
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Saturday, March 23, 2002 12:50 PM

But like Dave said... it's not a question of whether or not it can be done. I think it's safe to say that nearly anything can be done. But when someone asks, "Do you think we'll ever see," you have to ask why. Stand-up steel coasters could and have been done. Are they generally a real hit with the public or the parks? Generally speaking, not really.

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 12:51 PM

Glenn said:
They'd pay any amount of money for a crappy coaster just to stay ahead in the 'coaster race'.


Yeah man, which is why I'm so pissed they are getting those 2 wild mouses and the 3 kiddie coasters this year. CP is just scrambling to stay ahead!

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 2:45 PM

That and I think it's pretty common knowledge that they're in no hurry to build another wood coaster.

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 2:53 PM

I think they could care less if they had more coasters than anyone else as long as they consistantly rank as the best park in the world...

Yes, anything CAN be done, but it all hinges on pratcicality and the bottom line. Anyway, the most extreme coasters are not always the best. Take SOB and Raven as examples. SOB was touted as the next coming of Jesus, and Raven got very little publicity when it came out, as a relatively small wooden coaster at a little known park. Now, which one is better?

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 2:55 PM

As an engineer, if someone wanted to build a stand up woodie, I'd say sure it'll be fun. As a businessman I would be seriously concerned about the possible liabilty if the park didn't maintain the track in excellent condition.

There are certain things where the laws of physics come into play, and they just aren't practical or safe to build. However, they aren't generally the things that we hear people saying can't be done here on Coaster Buzz. One example would be a true outside loop. It would just involve too many negative G's.

*** This post was edited by Jim Fisher on 3/23/2002. ***

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 4:16 PM
i agree with all the people who agree with glenn. Especially you rideman all that stuff you said makes a good point. I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Saturday, March 23, 2002 9:17 PM

Anything IS possible in terms of "can it be engineered". But humans can only take g-forces at a sustained level for so long before blacking out, even dying. So I think we can safely say that any speed is possible, any height is possible, any angle is possible, any track configuration, etc...but g-forces (and cash) they are very reasonable limiting factors...

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Sunday, March 24, 2002 5:26 AM
Can you imagine how much headbanging there would be on one of them because you would have to have otsr's. Just imagine any woody with otsr's.
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