Suspended Coaster Question

Saturday, May 10, 2003 6:53 PM
I just recently got regular access to the internet and therefore have just recently begun looking at sites dedicated to roller coaster enthusiasts, and I have noticed that while people seem to like Big Bad Wolf at BGW, Iron Dragon (a similar coaster built at around the same time) seems to be almost universally denigrated. I was wondering -- what makes the experiences of these two coasters so different? Is it the theming around Big Bad Wolf? Is Iron Dragon over-braked? (a common complaint about cedar fair parks)
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Saturday, May 10, 2003 6:56 PM
In fact, it is BBW that is braked heavily where it wasn't originally. ID has no trims.

Basically, it comes down to design and location. BBW is a pretty wild ride at times in a unique location with awesome theming. ID is a GREAT family ride. It's a great starter coaster and is a good part of CP's coaster collection.

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Saturday, May 10, 2003 6:57 PM
In other words, Peabody is saying (while trying to defend ID):

Big Bad Wolf goes 55mph and swings above horizontal.

Draggin' Iron goes 35 - 40mph and hardly swings to 45*.

Get it? Got it? Good.

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*** This post was edited by S00perGIR 5/10/2003 10:59:13 PM ***

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Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:03 PM
LOL. Thanks for the clarification.

Any opinions about other suspended coasters?

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Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:05 PM
Ummm... Top Gun at PKI is really good, fast and intense.

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Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:11 PM
Ninja tears all of them apart. Well, it shares that right with Big Bad Wolf, Vampire and Hayabusa.
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Saturday, May 10, 2003 10:15 PM
BBW is one of the greatest coasters I have ever been on. It's all about the swing. With it the coaster is awesome but without swing it's just boring.
*** This post was edited by Colin 5/11/2003 2:17:02 AM ***
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Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:15 PM
Vortex all the way.

The sensation of climbing the mountain, and then flying down to the lake, and swinging over the lake. Awesome.

And the amount of swing at the end? Sweetness

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Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:39 PM
The only one I thought was *tame* was ID....the rest provided at least a few moments of thrill....someday someone will show me why riders on suspendeds require such an enormous amounts of restraint INSIDE the *cabins*....probably not in this lifetime though...;)
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Sunday, May 11, 2003 2:29 AM

Iron Dragon is tame, yes, but it still is a good family ride and I think it's a good part of Cedar Point. But not all coasters need to be intense and thrilling!
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Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:10 AM
Check out the Vampire at Chessington World of Adventures, Vekoma supplied some new floorless trains for the ride and they are quite enjoyable.

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Sunday, May 11, 2003 5:06 AM
I've been on Iron Dragon, Vortex, Top Gun, and Big Bad Wolf- Top Gun was by far the best with Vortex in a close second. I was very young when I rode BBW however, so if I were to ride it again, my opinions might change. :)

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Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:30 AM
Both Top Gun and BBW are fantastic. Cedar Point is my home park. But, I rarely go on Iron Dragon. Just not very exciting for me...seems way too tame for me. The speed on Top Gun and BBW are awesome.

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Sunday, May 11, 2003 12:18 PM
ID at CP is just an entry coaster for younger riders. You have to start somewhere and ID is still fun for all those youngsters. Another reason ID isn't very big is the space concens at CP. I have no idea if they were planning to put in another coaster where TTD is when ID was built but it could have been a thought. If ID was any taller or longer, there would be no room for TTD and who would want that? If you look at the design for the BBW at BG it takes up a ton of land because suspended coasters can't turn tightly. BG built BBW larger because they had room to spare and because they aren't worried about breaking any records for number of coasters. I would rather have ID and TTD where they are now than a bigger better ID and no TTD.
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Sunday, May 11, 2003 12:30 PM
Has ID *become* a coaster Pointers say is just for "starters" and not meant to be a thrilling coaster to defend where its lacking compared to other suspended coasters or did CP advertise and market ID as a family coaster to begin with? Iron Dragon is the fiercest-named family coaster I can think of.

-Danny
*** This post was edited by Koaster King 5/11/2003 4:31:59 PM ***

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Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:09 PM
Actually Rugrats Runaway Reptar at PKI is more fiercer than ID - ;-)

I've ridden Iron Dragon, Ninja, BBW, Top Gun, and Vortex and BBW beats them all (IMO). Great hilly, wooded location, near misses in the German village, the incredible drop towards BGW's Rhine River.

But I will say that Vortex is slightly better than Top Gun because of the climb up Wonder Mountain, dropping over the midway, and the helix over the water.

I wish parks would still consider adding suspended coasters again. I feel they never had a chance to realize what they are truly capable of doing - layout wise.

X Factor

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Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:23 PM
I just wish I could've ridden the Bat in its time. :( Judging from the pictures, I'd say it was one of the best suspendeds ever built. Anyone who's ridden it care to chime in?

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Sunday, May 11, 2003 8:07 PM
KoasterKing: Kraken sounds pretty fierce to me, no? ;)

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Monday, May 12, 2003 10:49 AM
The Bat was truly unique.....I'm just glad that the problems were worked out. The suspended coaster became successful thanks to the trial and error of that furry critter. :) Nice to see one pop up again at Kings Island (not to mention one that takes names!).
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Monday, May 12, 2003 11:33 AM
I had the pleasure of riding The Bat, and it was one wild ride. At the time, it probably seemed more intense than it really was, simply because it was the first of it's kind.

I also enjoy PKI's Top Gun. Fast and smooth. My only complaint is it's length. I wish it were 1000-2000 foot longer! :)

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