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That's it....I am now throwing away this economics degree...(or better yet, mailing it to our Nation's Capital). It obviously would do jeremy more good than it's doing me, lol....now, who wants to give me a degree I *can* use....

Seriously, what is *fair* is never going to be decided, because what's fair to ME is for you all to send your tax refunds to: 5442 NW 38 PL...you get the point....;)

Sean: Don't even go there... you don't have the slightest idea what I give to charity or what I do for the sake of philanthropy. You're treading on very dangerous ground.

Furthermore, it isn't about you or anyone else or how hard they work. You're reading into so many things at so many levels I wouldn't know where to start. My issue is about me, what I earn. I don't care how much you or anyone else make or how hard you work, you make your choices, I make mine.

Jeremy: Agreed, it's not a cut and dry answer, and I certainly don't know what the answer is. Fortunately, that wasn't the part I originally took issue with, it was the irresponsible refunding of money the government should've been using elsewhere.

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National sales tax! The cure all. It taxes everyone equally. Tax everything but food and education. This gets everyone. Those working legitimate jobs, under the table jobs, drug dealers...etc. No deductions, no loopholes, everyone pays and equal percentage.

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Ahh homie, even that doesnt add up to everyone paying "equally". Poorer people will end up paying a much larger portion of their wages into taxes than wealthier people. You see, poorer people tend to spend a bigger percent of their wages on goods and services than rich people. Even exempting groceries and education, poor folks would still end up spending more of their disposable income on things like gas for their cars to get to work, clothes, baby diapers, etc. So nope, that doesnt rightly alleviate the issue of "fairness"

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Why is it fair for me to pay a higher percentage because I worked harder in school, got better grades and got a better job. I'm sorry, but I feel that everyone should pay their fair share. Nothing upsets me more than working several hours overtime and getting bumped up into the next tax bracket and losing money.

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"Sean: Don't even go there"

Don't go where?!?!

"... you don't have the slightest idea what I give to charity or what I do for the sake of philanthropy."

So when you take money and give to the needy, it's philanthrophy and charity...but when the government does it, it's immoral?!?!

"You're treading on very dangerous ground. "

How so?

"Furthermore, it isn't about you or anyone else or how hard they work. You're reading into so many things at so many levels I wouldn't know where to start. My issue is about me, what I earn. I don't care how much you or anyone else make or how hard you work, you make your choices, I make mine. "

And you made the choices that led to making more money in a system which taxes higher income people at higher levels.

On the national sales tax issue...I will add to what Jeremy said regarding the flaws of the system....A national sales tax would result in much higher sales taxes than what people are currently paying. As a result, people would be less likely to spend money, especially on "fringe items" (meaning, things that aren't necessities). Even though they have more money, they are likely not going to buy these "fringe items" because it would "save" them not only the price of the product, but also the additional taxes. And this would really hurt some industries, such as the amusement park industry.

Sean

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Round 3.... Ready.... FIGHT!!

Seriously guys lighten up, while it's clear that each involved in this tax good/bad kinda debate has their own opinion (a good thing probably but), you're not really getting anywhere... so let it go.

Ok so that was logical right? Now how about the probable..

Continue the back & forth till one of you gets sick of arguing and ignores the topic, or Jeff excercises his moderating powers and bans Sean (I'm guessing that's the "dangerous ground" by the way).

That'll be 2 cents, by the way

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I was gonna stay out of this thread, and probably still should. My on-topic comments are in the thread attached to the links to the new reports.

I'm not an economist. But I made an interesting observation...

Two major countries slid into recession just as the United States economy was roaring along, specifically Canada and Japan. Certainly there were lots of factors involved, but I don't think it is a coincidence that in both cases, the slide into recession-that-wouldn't-quit happened at about the same time that each country enacted dramatic consumption taxes...the combined 15% GST in Canada, and a doubling of the sales tax in Japan. Coincidence? You economists tell me.....

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

"And you made the choices that led to making more money in a system which taxes higher income people at higher levels."

WRONG. That's just it, I was born into that system, it wasn't my choice, and I don't support it.

Furthermore, you illustrate yet another reason why there's less motivation to achieve success. It's bad enough the government will support you more or less forever, and the incentive is further reduced by the fact that the more you make, the more they take.

I don't take money, I earn it and give it, freely, to the charities and organizations I choose. If you can't tell the difference between that and paying taxes, I can only assume you haven't done either one.

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"WRONG. That's just it, I was born into that system, it wasn't my choice, and I don't support it. "

You missed my point...You chose to make more money. That was your choice. When you made that choice, I assume that you knew that the system taxed you more with each extra dime that you make.

And if you don't support the system, then you have three options, try to change it, live with it, or leave the country.

"Furthermore, you illustrate yet another reason why there's less motivation to achieve success. It's bad enough the government will support you more or less forever, and the incentive is further reduced by the fact that the more you make, the more they take. "

I wouldn't disagree with that. As has been illustrated by many economists, no system is perfect.

"I don't take money, I earn it and give it, freely, to the charities and organizations I choose. If you can't tell the difference between that and paying taxes, I can only assume you haven't done either one. "

I give to a charity everyday...I work for one. And I pay my taxes along with every other bill that I incur. So stop making rude assumptions.

Sean

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"You missed my point...You chose to make more money. That was your choice."

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Oh! Stupid me! I want to be compensated for what I do. How silly of me.

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Why do you always answer with an response that is a tangent from the topic?!?!

We all want to be compensated for what we do...but you chose to do something that compensates you more than other people. It may be an "no-brainer" choice IYO, but it was still your choice.

Have a Nice Weekend!

Sean

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