Still more details about Phantom's Revenge

Posted Monday, August 14, 2000 8:28 AM | Contributed by Seven-of-9

A press release page from Kennywood.com reveals more details about the Phantom's Revenge, and the new elements to be included in this new coaster for 2001.

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Monday, August 14, 2000 9:04 AM
What is an inverted camel back? I'm guessing this will make the first drop a double dip on steroids. Also I'm thinking that a second trip into the ravine is a possibility. Heres why. For the track to be exiting between the tumble bug and t-bolt it would have probably turned roughly 360 degrees (running through the tunnel)to get to that spot. This is based on how that turn goes now. Unless I'm totally whacked this would appear to line the track up with the ravine again. Also we have been hearing KW bought some land below the park. Maybe they will break a record but on the third drop when no one expects it. I can only hope.
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Monday, August 14, 2000 9:46 AM
They better not remove the neon signs from the Turtle when they redesign the enterance. The already removed the cool Jack Rabbits from the fence. :(

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Monday, August 14, 2000 9:47 AM
I thought they had said this was a non-inverter, unless a reporter got his elements confused [as usual].
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Monday, August 14, 2000 10:14 AM
It is a non inverter, but an inverted camelback would be the opposite of a camelback now. Like instead of going up to a sharp point and coming down, it goes down to a sharp point and comes back up. That's the best I can describe it. For a coaster with camelbacks take a look at Raging Bull.

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Monday, August 14, 2000 10:42 AM
This coaster better be worth all the excitment.It is pretty much the same thing but no inversions. The only differnce is the lap bar.

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Monday, August 14, 2000 11:29 AM
Actually, I was thinking the sudden dip that an inverted camelback would give, will provide a LOT of airtime.

So far this coaster sounds like a winner to me. There are some weird items that I don't understand (reusing the cars?!?) but I'll withhold final judgement until I ride it...

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Monday, August 14, 2000 11:31 AM
I for one, think this is going to be an awesome coaster. It's very unique, and I can't wait to see how a project like this turns out. I will definitely be there next year to ride this thing.


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Monday, August 14, 2000 12:35 PM
Will the coaster have more camel backs at the end of the ride, since Morgan said that it will feature lots of airtime?

KpGuy
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Monday, August 14, 2000 1:08 PM
I really dont know what emotion im expressing right now, but it's something along the lines of "sheesh".

Dont count on the second drop emptying out where it does now, closer to the exterminator is more likely. If that is true, then the Third Hill will have to be pretty long and DEEP to need a tunnel that long AND empty out near turtle at the same time...

Still details to come...
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Monday, August 14, 2000 2:51 PM
How can you say that this coaster won't be able to compare to MF? This coaster is going to be completely different from MF. Don't get me wrong, I still think that Cedar Point's new ride is the greatest coaster in the world, but look for this to be one incredible ride when it opens next year. I'm really excited to ride it.
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Monday, August 14, 2000 3:49 PM
I'm glad they're keeping the second drop. Now if they can make the lift chain go a little faster. It's takes about a minute to get up the lift. The Intamin lifts (S:ROS, MF) have spoiled me.
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Monday, August 14, 2000 4:36 PM
I like how the lift hill is slow on Phantom. To me the when I'm on top of the 160 foot lift on Phantom it seems a lot higher then the 310 foot lift on Millennium Force.
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Monday, August 14, 2000 6:33 PM
I agree with Gforce. There is no WAY that the Phantom's Revenge will be better then the Millennium Force

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Monday, August 14, 2000 6:57 PM
I don't think that's Kennywood's intentions with their new coaster. If they wanted to compete, it would be 250-300 feet with great turns and/or inversions ala B&M. This is just a subsitute to a very rough, intense ride that most of Kennywood's patrons do not ride.

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Monday, August 14, 2000 10:11 PM
Kennywood knows they can't compete with the better parks so why get rid of a classic when you can make it better. I think all this hoop-laa about the new coaster is good for Kennywood, because once it is finished it will be a great coaster.
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Monday, August 14, 2000 10:33 PM
I still would like to think that *can* compete with the bigger (not necessarily "better" Ghst2k1) parks... just not every two years, a la Cedar Point.

Kennywood, most likely, has a larger amount of money to spend now than they did 10 years ago when SP was built. I don't know when they bought Idlewild, but I'm pretty sure they bought Lake Compounce in '98. Sandcastle, I believe, opened in 1989. (Somebody want to back me up on these stats?)

Now I could be wrong on all of this, but I would think that Kennywood has more money nowadays than in the late 80's-early 90's because they've expanded as a company.

Anyhow, my opinion is as follows.

If they *really wanted to*, would have taken out SP and put in a record breaker. However, because they *listen to their patrons*, they decided against it. (Henninger said they had plans for an entirely new coaster, but with all the calls, emails, etc. regarding Steel Phantom, they changed their minds. For all we know, the plans could have had drops in excess of 300'-350'. And on a side note, he mentioned that they had [or have] plans for a coaster that goes out over the parking lots.)

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Tuesday, August 15, 2000 5:37 AM
They could still mkae it over 300feet. Just that the first and second drop are not.

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Tuesday, August 15, 2000 7:51 AM
Sure they could. But keep in mind in order to achieve that they would have to use LIMs to get it up and down the 300 drop. At the bottom of the second drop, the Phantom is already at the same level with the river. Don't believe me? Just pay alittle more attention the next time you are on the Phantom then you'll see what I mean.

Coasterman Mike
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