Steel Venom a Hold off?

Do anyone of you think that SV at Valleyfair might be a hold off for a new VF coaster for the 2004 season? Because Cedar Point had WT and the got TTD the next year. Any thoughts? Im not really sure though because VF is a much smaller park, and I think that CP even added that WT was made basically "hold off" the wait for TTD.
*** This post was edited by Wickedtwister180 3/25/2003 10:26:40 PM ***

Yes a park with little budget builds a 10 million dollar hold off.................right.

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It's like a Whirlwind inside of my head!

Well SV was 8.5 million and WT was 12 million so it still could happen, there are many other coasters like a Wooden Twister that costs less than an Impulse, so it still could happen, I doubt it though..

Okayyyyyyy.....this question is relevant right after you can list a few 1 million visitor/year parks that have built coasters in successive seasons. And no, Boomerang/SLC combos do not count--their combined cost equals a decent Morgan hyper or Intamin Impulse.

-CO

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*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya 3/25/2003 10:31:15 PM ***

You are assuming that WT was a hold off as well. I don't buy that either.

Also CP has a heck of a lot bigger budget and more attendance then Valleyfair.

ANd what would they have needed to hold off for? It's not as if VF normally adds a new coaster every other year.

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right Wickedtwister180, they are making a 450ft hight 12 inversion watersplash racing lim launched coaster from coaster giant, Pinfari right right right.... that woul be really cool wouldn't it?

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Big D from the A to the N drop da O

$13 million (CP's 2002 cap ex budget w/ WT and Snoopy on Ice) = the average cap budget for CP

$13 million also equals $3 million more than VF has ever been given for a cap budget. Ever.

BTW, you'll never see a MF or Dragster at VF ever ever ever ever ever. Not only is $25 million impossible to justify unless you have triple VF's attendance and a gaggle of hotels, Flying Cloud Ariport is too close to permit any structures that tall. Why do you think PT is only 275 feet tall?

-CO

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*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya 3/25/2003 10:39:39 PM ***

yeah what playa said....... I cxan see them getting like a B&M floorles or invert say in 2006 but I not xpecting dragster next year.....

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Big D from the A to the N drop da O

You got me all wrong, I would never ever think that VF would got a TTD coaster!! Im just saying maybe a 9 million woddie twister or somthing like that, I never think that VF could get a 420 foot coaster!

Another 5 years down the road maybe. But I don't see any CF park putting in wood unless its Intamin with its inherent lower maintainence costs.

Regardless neither Wicked Twister nor Steel Venom are "filler rides"

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Haven't we been over this about...oh....a zillion times? Seriously, just reference Cplaya's epic battles with Swoosh.
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SRM 2003-Look for the guy with my name on his chest

You really don't have much of an idea how park capital budgets work. VF will usually get about $3 million a year unless there's something big going up. Large investments are generally expected to get paid off over two seasons. So to answer your original question, the answer is an emphatic no. Frankly, SV is to VF is like MF or TTD to CP. Two big-budget seasons in four years' time is plenty.

-CO

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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.

For VF Venom is not a "hold off" or "filler" because they're a smaller park and have a smaller budget. Cedar Point, however, has a bigger yearly budget, so that piece of impulsed crap that was installed between Disaster Transport and the aquatic stadium could arguably be a "hold off" or a pacifier kind of ride.

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- John

Could be John but doubtful. Even to CP 12 million is not chump change. 37 million for two years? Thats really steep don't you think? Even by CP's standards.

IMO it was more of a "keeping up with the Jones" type of deal if you know what I mean.

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Actually, even some non-ride cap ex budgets at CP have totaled $13 million (Lighthouse Point, anyone?) While I'd hardly call WT 'filler', I wouldn't call '02 a major cap budget season either.

-'Playa

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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.

True Playa but look at near history and some previous cap budgets. Before MF 12 million for a coaster was a lot of money. It's just after 25 mill for MF 12 Million doesn't seem like much. Now we think CP has to have the most expensive coaster ever built to be a big expenditure.

How much was Mantis? Power Tower?

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*** This post was edited by MagnumForce 3/25/2003 11:50:18 PM ***

Yeah but after a couple $25 million dollar seasons, the in-betweeners have all been about $13 million. You know that.

-CO

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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.

Well we have only had two 25 millioners. ;) Starting with MF.

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As long as we are on this subject, what is Steel Venom's height requirement going to be?

We have S:UE at SFWoA at 52"

We have V2 at SFGAm at 54"

We have WT at CP at 52"

Dont know what the V2 at SFMW is.

Same concept coaster but different height requirements. I dont get it. :)

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