Steel Dragon 2000, MForce, Phantom Rev, & Goliath

Friday, May 31, 2002 1:37 PM
Anybody ridden all four of these (nasai, Peabody?)? I am wondering how Steel Dragon compares to the others.

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Friday, May 31, 2002 3:31 PM

Which Goliath are you speaking of?

I have ridden all but Steel Dragon, and I must say surprisingly, Phantom's Revenge was the most satisfying. Very underrated is PR, as is most else at Kennywood.

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Friday, May 31, 2002 3:35 PM
I totally agree. Phantom doesn't get enough attention. In fact, other than CCI's unsung hero over at IB, I'd go as far as to say Phantom's Revenge was the sleeper hit of 2001.

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Friday, May 31, 2002 3:36 PM

Actually, I have.

They are very different from eachother. All of them aare great in thier own way. MF has a great drop, SD2K has a hell of lot of airtime, Phantoms has a great 1st and 2nd hill when goliath (magic mountain) has a great layout with its helixes and drops.

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Friday, May 31, 2002 5:05 PM
I rode MF Phantom aqnd Goliath was gonna go to Japan last summer and ride but got in a car wreck so I couldnt go.
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Friday, May 31, 2002 11:44 PM
Indeed, I speak of the SFMM Goliath. I, too, was very impressed with Phantom. I just wish Goliath was longer, without the harsh mid-course brakes.

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Saturday, June 1, 2002 2:24 PM

BGCPFAN said:

Actually, I have.



How did you get to go to Japan at 14?

I've ridden all but Goliath. (I'm planning on going back to SFMM when X runs reliably.)

They couldn't be more different from each other. The only thing in common is they all have big hills!

I couldn't even compare because each has it's strengths and weaknesses. My advice: Who cares about comparison? Just ride what you can and have fun!

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- Peabody

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Saturday, June 1, 2002 2:27 PM

You know what seems odd... Phantom's revenge is 1000 feet shorter than Goliath, yet nobody ever seems to complain about PR being "too short." Despite its longer length, Goliath is constantly slammed for being "too short."

I agree that PR is a better ride than Goliath, but not by much. SD2K may be the best of the bunch, sadly I have not been to Japan to try it out.

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Saturday, June 1, 2002 2:33 PM

SD2k looks liek Magnum on steroids, am I right?

From what I have saw and heard from my Brother who has rode all but SD2K is that they all seem to be entirely different. MForce is all about the drop with some great floater air thrown in, PR seems to be all about the terrain and the drop through Thunderbolt along with some awesome looking bunny hops at the end. Goliath seems to be all about the Centrifuge with a couple airtime hills. SD2K looks to be all about airtime. Is this a good assumption of all of them? I have only rode MF.

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Saturday, June 1, 2002 3:04 PM
Actually, I thought PR was too short... but every ride is too short... ;)

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Sunday, June 2, 2002 8:09 AM

Peabody,

My dad works for a sales company thats home base is in Japan, so i went one time and we decided to visit Nagashima, it was a fun time.

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Sunday, June 2, 2002 9:17 AM
Pretty impressive for a kid! Nice place, huh?

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- Peabody

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Sunday, June 2, 2002 9:40 AM

Soggy,

I agree with Joe. Isn't just about EVERY ride too short?! :)

In all seriouslness, I think Goliath is perceived as too short because of the enormous amount of wasted momentum that it has. The speed of the train when approaching the mid-course brakes is ridiculous, and then it comes to a near hault before proceeding throught the remainder of the course. Then it hits the station brakes just as hard. Its design and smooth flow could add 2000-3000 MORE feet of track for a better PACED ride. It's still fun, but gets a knock down because of the mid-course. PR and MF are non-stop fun. PR has a great number of element changes, making it a bit more interesting (IMO). MF is just sheer speed, what more can you say.

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Sunday, June 2, 2002 3:39 PM

Unlike a few of you, I have yet to ride Phantom's Revenge. I would like to, as I imagine it is an ejection machine, but it is out of my driving loop, and I don't have any need to go to Pittsburgh anytime soon.:) I am planning, roughly, on going there late summer along with Hershey, and another trip to SFA, but I just don't know.

As far as SD2K, MF, and Goliath? Hmmm. Personally, I like the painfully slow ascent on SD2K, the drop of MF, and the helix on Goliath. (I still like Ghostrider, and Coaster at PNE better than any of the above:))
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Sunday, June 2, 2002 4:39 PM

nasai said:

As far as SD2K, MF, and Goliath? Hmmm. Personally, I like the painfully slow ascent on SD2K, the drop of MF, and the helix on Goliath. (I still like Ghostrider, and Coaster at PNE better than any of the above)

Amen. SD2K and the others are great, but I'd take Ghostridee, or Raven/Legend at night over any of them!

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- Peabody


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Sunday, June 2, 2002 9:19 PM
So, Jeff... does this mean we will meet this summer for a trip to SFMM or KBF??? eh?
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*** This post was edited by nasai on 6/3/2002. ***

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Sunday, June 2, 2002 9:50 PM
I like how PR is out of your driving loop, yet japan isn't... haha.. I found that funny. I personally would take MF over Goliath (Titan). It's a matter of personal preferance, and I like the more graceful feeling of MF.
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Sunday, June 2, 2002 10:09 PM

nagashima huh??

have you ridden ultra twister, what was that like

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Sunday, June 2, 2002 10:15 PM

First off, my wife is Japanese, so I go to Japan on a fairly regular basis. Certainly nothing matches the smoothness of MF, but it doesn't dance enough for me. I do prefer SD2K over MF from that standpoint. I realize that Steel Dragon has a very obvious layout, but I just loved all those bunny hops, and the killer turnaround.

Ultra Twister? Rode it about 20 times last trip. No line at all. Not anyone waiting. All that, and a vertical lift? Heaven. Did you enjoy UT, Peabody????
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Monday, June 3, 2002 4:48 AM

Yes, I enjoyed their Ultra Twister. It (like all the other rides) was in pristine shape. It looked brand new (as opposed to a certain rusting American one).

It was also a walk on for me, but I only rode it twice due to a limited amount of time I had for the park. I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Not my favorite ride, but a fun one for sure.

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