Standing Inverted Coaster

Friday, December 3, 2004 6:53 AM
This post is not ment to imply that there is one.

I was just asking why B&M or anybody else hasn't built a standing invert yet? I know it would have a higher g-force going up hills and it would suck the blood from your brain in a helix, but it still sounds like a wicked awesome cool ride.

I thought I heard a rumor about a standing inverted coaster coming to Hersheypark about 3 years ago, obviously that wasn't the slightest bit true. But that did spark my imagination.

What would some of the risks be for building one?
Has it ever been considered by any manufacturer? If it hasn't, I'm building one in my backyard. lol.

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Friday, December 3, 2004 8:01 AM
I think it would suck the blood from your brain during ANYTHING it did. The G's would be insane.
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Friday, December 3, 2004 8:04 AM
It could be done but it would have to be done from someone like B&M. Vekoma would make it too rough.
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Friday, December 3, 2004 8:21 AM
The simple answer is that their's never been a demand for it. Theirs no doubt it could be done and it could be awesome. The problem is that it just seems that the 15 or so year craze of the stand up coaster has ended. I think sometime down the road we might see an installation here or there but never as much that were being built in the late 80s and 90s (which still wasn't much).

Personally I have no problem with stand-ups. Since there aren't a great deal of them around (and I guess since there are none at my home parks) when I do get to ride one, I really do enjoy them. I don't know if I do as much now that i've riden quite a few though. I used to love Mantis basically to the point that it was my fav coaster at Cedar Point (that was in 2000), but this past year when I rode, I felt let down. Maybe it was just becuase the second half was totally killed by the block brake though.

What i'm getting to is that it would be great to see some form of the stand up built again since that last one was built in 1999. I think if the an Inverted Standing coaster ever got a chance at life that we could see a small boom of them (just like the Inverted Coaster boom but smaller). Personally I think a wooden inverted coaster would be neat. And but say to me it couldn't be done becuase if you look back 5-10 year ago think of all the thing we never thought possible.


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Friday, December 3, 2004 8:28 AM
What would make it more thrilling than a normal inverted or a flying coaster? The standup Idea is pretty much dead due to uncomfortable riding possition. One reason I think the Togos worked is because they were basically short and didn't offer the possitive G's the bigger modles do. That ball buster seat of B&M's wasnt a big hit either.

Chuck, who wishes he could have ridden 7up shockwave backwards though. That looked cool.

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Friday, December 3, 2004 8:57 AM
Fun's avatar Intamin may have been on the money with their standing Gyro's... the key is to shift the weight of the rider so that not all the pressure is going onto the bike seat. Instead, the Intamin design allows for the harness to absorb some of the rider's weight by tilting the riders forward 20 degrees or so.

Whoever designs the first one is going to have to account for the fact that Standing riders must be placed even lower underneath the wheel assemblies than regular Inverted seats. The further away from the track you are, the higher the g-forces are going to be.

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Friday, December 3, 2004 10:59 AM
The thing that I don't like about standups is that I have already waited almost an hour standing in line, the last thing I want to do is STAND on the freakin' ride. :)
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Friday, December 3, 2004 11:31 AM
BullGuy's avatar So many people are quick to call the standup coaster dead. In my opinion, there is no other coaster type that gives the forceful ride of a B&M standup. One front row ride on any of these fine machines would make me happier than 10 on your local Intamin hyper. The dive machine was also deemed "dead' by nearly everyone, and in 2005 we have Sheikra.

-Mark
Never Has Gravity Been So Uplifting.

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Friday, December 3, 2004 11:36 AM
Jeff's avatar Normal stand-ups are stupid and gimmicky. Putting the track above my head won't change my opinion.

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Friday, December 3, 2004 11:53 AM

Charles Nungester said:
Chuck, who wishes he could have ridden 7up shockwave backwards though. That looked cool.

You're not missing much. It's an interesting thing to try once, but it is very hard on your neck. Even if it were still allowed I don't think I'd do it again.


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Friday, December 3, 2004 12:04 PM

BullGuy said:
So many people are quick to call the standup coaster dead. In my opinion, there is no other coaster type that gives the forceful ride of a B&M standup. One front row ride on any of these fine machines would make me happier than 10 on your local Intamin hyper. The dive machine was also deemed "dead' by nearly everyone, and in 2005 we have Sheikra.

Actually the Dive coasters whole reason was Cost. Of course BGT and Disney and other large parks can afford them.

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Friday, December 3, 2004 12:36 PM
The cool thing about inverted coasters is the whole feet dangling thing and how you can see under you. If you are standing up, there would have to be a surface to stand on, which in turn would take away the coolest part of being inverted. Also, the most fun part of Standups are the twisted track where your head flys over the track as your feet are stationary. Putting the track above your head would basically make this element non-existant. I really don't see what would be cool about it.

Stand ups aren't all they are cracked up to be, and I don't see an inverted stand up being any better than the original version in any way, except possibly 0-G rolls, which isn't worth it.


Down is the new up.
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Friday, December 3, 2004 12:46 PM
I've been thinking of a flying coaster for years. Take a sick layout an use cars like Nightwing(flat ride) I think that would be insane
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Friday, December 3, 2004 1:13 PM
^Where've you been the past 3 or 4 years?

Already there are several flyers out there from vekoma,B&M & Zamperla,the Zamperla models are among the roughest ones of them all....besides a restraint system like that used on Nightwing would be pretty uncomfortable but the vekoma vest design might be a suitable replacement for those painful butterfly restraints found on the Togo stand ups.

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Saturday, December 4, 2004 5:48 PM

rentzy17 said:
I think a standing-invert, or standing coaster in general, could be a huge hit if they had comfortable restraints. Take out those bike seats!

The problem with that is you can't get rid of the bicycle seats. Without them, passengers can easily slip out of the restraints (see the Arrow standups for reference). You have to account for people who could possibly lose consciousness during the ride.

Of course, I think standup are just fine the way they are.

-Nate

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Saturday, December 4, 2004 5:56 PM
SFoGswim's avatar There was a rumor a while ago of a floorless inverted stand-up coaster. The seats would be very similar to Acrophobia, but it would be an inverted coaster. The concept sounded cool.
Welcome back, red train, how was your ride?!
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Saturday, December 4, 2004 6:05 PM
Arrow retrofitted two of their coasters with standup cars in the early 80's (WoF's Extremeroller, formerly an Arrow corkscrew in 1983 and SFStL's Railblazer, formerly an Arrow mine train in 1984). Due to an accident where a passenger was thrown from Railblazer and other problems, the standup cars were removed by 1985.

-Nate

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Saturday, December 4, 2004 6:30 PM
Mamoosh's avatar The concept sounded cool.

Sounds painful to me ;)

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Saturday, December 4, 2004 10:03 PM
I think the problem with standup coasters is out of the 5 B&M stadups, only one I thought was a great ride, and I do mean a top ten steel coaster was Georgia Scorcher, but all of the others suck in my opinion (RR, Chang, Mantis, Iron Wolf) none of them can even come close to comparing to Georgia Scorcher, which is just a plain awesome ride. If all of B&M standup's rode like Gerogia Scorcher I think we would have seen more, but the big ones (the general public view bigger is better) just are uncomfortable, at least for me, then of course Iron wolf is just plain rough.
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Saturday, December 4, 2004 10:54 PM
Coasters that orient the position of the body differently are gimmicks that die in time. The stand up is for all intensive purposes, dead. It's been 5 years since one has been built, and who knows if any more will be built. Now that the novelty has worn off, the popularity hasn't held as well as say a good woodie, hyper, or something else that appeals to a lot of riders.

I forsee the flyers doing the same thing, and the signs all seem to be that way. There are a handful of them, they have had a good response, but not great. No new B&Ms or Vekomas now for a while. Sure a few Zamperlas out there, but damn those things suck!

So the combination of the two might be interesting, but it would be a complete gimmick, would probably hurt, and most importantly not bring a good return on investment.

Why have the inverts held popularity for over 12 years? They don't alter the orientation of the body. The position of the track was the only thing that changed. Close your eyes and an invert feeld no different than a floorless or a B&M sitdown if you lifted your feet up.


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