Six Flags Removes Confederate Flags From Its Parks

Even before that, They're traitors to their country because they tried to set up another government made up of land that belonged to the country they were leaving. Just as a fact, that is traitorous and has nothing to do with 'hero' or 'villain' archetypes.

The fact that you seem to be saying that a government that supported the kidnapping, enslaving, raping, abuse, and out right murder of people being 'good' or 'bad' is subjective is, well, disturbing. Granted, I'm not saying that the current U.S. government and representatives of it haven't been involved in those things, but all of those Really Bad Things were a core principle of the Confederacy. They wanted to keep slaves. That is morally abhorrent.

So the Union didn't own slaves? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2967.html

Seems Lincoln didn't want to free the slaves either.

You know you've won the argument against Confederates (bigots, racists, alt-right, alt-reich, nazis, etc.) when they immediately go to "what about......."

Can't defend their own position so they immediately find some nugget of info (some example of "balance") to somehow deflect away from their indefensible position.

But do go on Extreme, please enlighten us. Why weren't the Confederates traitors. I bet is was all about States' Rights and Economics, right? (that was sarcasm by the way).

I didn't say they didn't own slaves. But they were working towards getting rid of them. Lincoln was a politician, not some hero, but he did put into motion the steps to end slavery.

Seriously? You're a confederate sympathizer? But let me guess, you have "black friends" so it's okay since you're not racist.

Actually, I'm not even from the south. Nor am I a sympathizer or nazi or white supremist or none of the above. But, keep reaching.

So you're just a troll?

There's simply no way you can act like the confederacy, win or lose, were not traitors, nor act like just because people in the "other side" did things, it invalidates the fact that the other side put in place things that resulted in slaves being freed, where's as side you're arguing for we're fighting in large part to keep slaves.

Tekwardo said:

the other side put in place things that resulted in skates being freed

I'm not arguing for anything. Just stating facts.

Probably not more than 10% of the Northern whites were abolitionists, and many of the prominent (white) abolitionists were the worst sort of patronizing racists (describing blacks as monkeys etc.). Abe Lincoln was an avowed white supremacist, and made clear his opposition to the expansion of slavery in the territories should not be construed as favoring making electors or jurors of blacks, allowing them to intermarry with whites, etc. "As much as any [white] man," Lincoln said in debating Douglas, "I favor the superior position being retained by the white race."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2005/1/9/84493/-

Sorry for the double post, but I did have a roommate whom was black and lived with me for 4 years rent free. I did it to allow him to get back on his feet as he was down and out. We had been neighbors in the same apartment building and when things happened to him, I helped him out. I would say that's probably not something a lot of other folks have done for a fellow human being. We became the best of friends. I used to hang out with several people who were his friends and even had "permission" to use the word nigga in reference to them or myself as they respected me and I them.

So, Bannon gets fired from the White House, and takes up posting on Coasterbuzz...

Wow. Just. Wow. Even if I felt I had been given permission, I'm not using that word to call someone else that.

So, just because there was "only about 10%" of the Union that wanted to abolish slavery, that makes the rest who fought to abolish it, what? Wrong? Made the people fighting for slavery it, what? "More right"? "Less wrong?"

For the record, I went to a predominantly African American high school. I've been involved in many social and economic programs to help people of color (and Caucasian people as well). During my youth my parents and grandmother hosted several young African American women to live with us so they could get on their feet.

But none of that matters when you spout off Sympathy for the confederates.

Fun fact, this is a coaster site not Facebook or Breitbart. ;)

Fun fact, the webmaster has been involved in the conversation here and you're not a mod ;-).

Fun fact, didn't say he wasn't and didn't say I was.

So you're saying you weren't contributing to the conversation in any way then?

Well Tek, the part I did leave out was the fact that I never used the N word in any shape or form. I only stated that I was given permission to do so. I thanked them for their friendship and trust, but I could not use that word out of respect for anyone. They understood and respected my decision. And even still insisted it was ok. Not once did I even refer to myself or anyone else with that term. I was often called Nigga but I never asked them not to because it was something they were comfortable with doing. They knew that I would never respond in kind, even when allowed to.

No, I never once stated slavery was right or anything to the like. I merely stated that they were not traitors. It was indeed a bloody and ugly conflict, to say the least. I'm just saying that it was not as clear cut as what is taught in 8th grade history books.

The whole reason I even brought up the whole hero/villain scenario was to put to light that George Washington himself was a traitor to England. Hero in the eyes of us, villain in their eyes.

So you admit GW was a traitor (a fact), but not the confederacy? The rest I think you're just trolling and back peddling and whitewashing.

Regardless, I know history. I know that Lincoln wasn't some great racial savior, but a politician who was doing what they do.

And I know that, just like Washington, the confederates were traitors. I clearly said it wasn't about right nor wrong. They're traitors to the country. Yes. So was Washington. These are facts.

I only stated that I was given permission to do so

I never accused you of using the word. But saying that you had "permission" in an attempt to "legitimize" your "black friendship" is ridiculous. How's that convo go anyways? Was there some type of ceremony involved? Did you have to take an oath on how you'd use the word?

"Sure, white friend, we bestow upon you the permission to call us this word out of respect".

That's not even laughable. At best.

I'm gonna leave this here. Slightly NSFW for language and subject matter:

I merely meant Washington was a traitor in the eyes of England. I should have been more clear. One man's "traitor" is another man's "hero".

We were just all hanging out one day, and I had been called the N word several times and it was no big deal. Someone just said to me, you know we wouldn't care if you used that word. No ceremony, no pomp and circumstance, just simple conversation. I wasn't the one who brought it up nor did I care to.Laugh all you want, but that was what was said to me. Granted, that was years ago, but it was a conversation that happened. And whether you believe that or not is of no consequence to me. If it helps you sleep better at night, then believe whatever you want to believe. I know what happened because I was there.

I'm just gonna repost this:

They're traitors to their country because they tried to set up another government made up of land that belonged to the country they were leaving. Just as a fact, that is traitorous and has nothing to do with 'hero' or 'villain' archetypes.