Six Flags considers selling more parks.

Lord Gonchar's avatar
I'm just wondering who among the 30-somethings and 40-somethings posting recently to this thread is being called 'kid' :)

But then again, I've also been wondering for quite a while why someone with a profile claiming their location as Jackson, NJ keeps posting from central Ohio.

I'm so full of questions. :)


I'd claim that this doesn't make all those other parks too expensive. It makes SF SPs too cheap.

Hey, some of us have been towing that line for way too long now.


ApolloAndy's avatar
Do you tow a line or toe a line? What does that phrase even mean? I'm confused.

Anyway, on topic:

I actually think that people would be willing to pay $80 for a day at Six Flags if they knew they would get treated right and not have to wait in hour long lines all day. I don't know about the first, but there's an easy way to acheive the second - raise the gate to $80.

And re: Discovery Cove's pricing not being fair

Since when does Sea World care about being fair? More importantly, since when do their investors?


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Lord Gonchar's avatar
I believe both are correct but imply different meanings. For the record, I used it incorrectly. :)


manofthechurch said:
THe point I was making, is that most people dont want to go to one park everyday of the week that you are in Orlando. I understand the value that you get from a 5 day park hopper. The fact is not many people go to the same park more than one day. There is plenty of other things to do besides universal. So if you want to go one day you have to pay that single park admission.
So there is my response coasterplayahater.

You do realize a park hopper ticket takes care of the problem you just stated. Busch and Universal parks I believe teamed up so someone can purchase a park hopper ticket to visit USO, IOA, Sea World, and Busch Gardens. Disney has their own but they also have like 5 different parks in Orlando.

If you are travelling down here and paying the single admission gate to these parks, you are a fool.


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rollergator's avatar
Toe...to step up to....

Tow....to drag or pull...

The line...just connects two points... :)

^^An illiterate fool at that--who can't read any of the 86 bajillion signs on the road from timeshare properties who'll hand you single-day tickets if you tour their place.


manofthechurch said:
It is fact not opinion kid.

I'm sure that sounds a lot more compelling on the Junior High school playground. Hey, good luck with that line and all.

-CO
(edited cuz 'gator got here first)

*** Edited 2/8/2008 12:21:55 AM UTC by CoastaPlaya***


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rollergator's avatar
^Hehe, I'm just a fast typist....

P.S. Just for counting's sake, Busch now has five parks in Central FL themselves....they're not the Mouse or anything, but they've got BGT, SWF, Disc. Cove, Aquatica, Adventure Island...

Still find it beyond incredible there's no Busch amusement area in St. Louis...hmmm. ;)

^^ Unlike you, many of us don't go around pretending like we are interested in time shares to get free tickets. I have better things to do on a vacation to Orlando. But hey, you do what you gotta do!

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Mamoosh's avatar
...still waiting on the source of that fact...
^^^They do Gator.

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My favorite MJ tune: "Billie Jean" which I have been listening to alot now. RIP MJ.

I'm waiting on the source of that fact, too.

I reamed out a PhD student today who tried to pull the same crap in his thesis proposal. As it happens, he didn't have the evidence he needed to make the claim, and so that's one more task to complete before I'll be signing off on his dissertation.

And, as an aside, it's Herr Doctor Professor Kid. I've earned it.


Here's a piece of evidence that tends to refute the "fact" above. This is a report from a presentation done for investors at a Smith Barney workshop. Jim Hunt and Jay Rasulo were presenting:



Another stat is how many times a person visits a particular theme park. This is called VPG (Visits per Guest)....In the recent past, most of the Disney destinations operated in a single park environment. In such a scenario the typical VPG is around 2.


That would suggest that people do visit the same park more than once. In fact, it suggests that on average guests visit the same park twice. (Presumably, they mean only the Castle parks.)

The full report can be found here:
http://www.laughingplace.com/News-ID507040.asp


Mamoosh's avatar
Nice facts there...."kid" :)

Seahawk & the Wave said:

Lord Gonchar said:there's seems to be a magical attendance ceiling for North American regionals - as far as I know - none have ever hit 4 million in a season.

Except one: Six Flags Great Adventure did it once, on the very last day of the season, 10/29/95 - they just squeaked past four million that day. There was nothing all that spectacular about 1995, the new ride was Viper (ecchhh) - it's just when they hit their peak. Other seasons have come close but they never passed that mark since then. You'd think now, with the park so much more worthy of a visit and able to handle the attendance than it was 12 years ago, it should happen again, but it hasn't.

I see 4 million as something of a max-out number for US seasonal parks too. I don't think any other park has done it.



Canada's Wonderland just might do it this year. Now that the hole area it is surrended by has developed and has a population explosion happening all thoughout the Toronto area and also with Behomth this year, Wonderland just might do it. Also Fear fest KILLS the crowds and the park is SO packed on those nights its almost not worth it to go(but i still go anyways:P). If not 4 Million this year im betting pretty darn close to that for CW... return visits will be CRAZY this year for SP holders who want to try out Behomoth and with "the hottest summer yet" coming this year the water park should also bring in massive amounts of people.


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rollergator's avatar
SFDL has a point. I remember suggesting when CF bought PP that due to market, demographics, and competition, that it wouldn't be TOO long before CF realized the "real" flagship park is the one that serves Toronto... ;)

SF's flagship? Hard to tell when the whole fleet is sinking... ;)

Mamoosh's avatar
Canada's Wonderland has a hole?
Lord Gonchar's avatar
Yeah, I did think of Wonderland when I made the 4 million claim.

But here's the thing. Weren't they down a bit last year from their peak as well? Something like 3.3 million.

Are they really poised to do 20% attendance growth in one season?

New flagship? Perhaps.

4 million this year? Not so confident.


And if the apparently-materializing U.S. recession spreads north this summer, that will only reduce head count further.

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rollergator's avatar

Lord Gonchar said:Yeah, I did think of Wonderland when I made the 4 million claim.

New flagship? Perhaps. 4 million this year? Not so confident.


In the CF news-item thread, I posed 4M as a "likely" attendance mark for CW within 3-5 years...

P.S. edited to include quoted text so page-jump wouldn't lead to confusion...


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