Six Flags considers selling more parks.
1400 rooms x $100 per night = $140,000 per night, or (at percaps of $40) 3500 Wonderland guests EACH day. Plus Lighthouse point. Plus Camper Village.
This Isn't A Hospital--It's An Insane Asylum!
...and yes, I am aware of the neighborhoods surrounding CW. Much like GAdv, throw in some perks like early-admission, and the place would sell itself out instantly.
Canada's Wonderland does not have the location and resort atmosphere Cedar Point does to ever hope to duplicate CP's success in getting people to stay. Some coaster geeks may disagree with me, but a regional amusement park alone does not have the appeal to fill the large number of hotel rooms found at CP.
CW's amusement park attendance may be higher than CP's, but is it still higher if you add Soak City to the mix? That's about another .5 mil to Cedar Point if you do. Plus, Soak City is able to charge admission (because of the resorts), where CW's Splash Works is included with park admission.
CP is and will continue to be CF's flagship because it simply brings in more money than any other property they own. I don't see that changing.
I'd rather be in my boat with a drink on the rocks, than in the drink with a boat on the rocks.
It's nice sand, but the lake just doesn't cut it, particularly with the very shallow swimming zone. What's more, Breakers doesn't really cut it, either.
Here's a beach resort, though granted it is somewhat more expensive than Breakers. But, it is incredible. I spent only a couple days there, but would go back in a heartbeat:
http://www.ritzcarlton.com/en/Properties/SanJuan/Default.htm
Edited to add: it's not that much more expensive. A standard room in summer is $310/night. Breakers gets pretty close to that.
*** Edited 2/8/2008 7:35:40 PM UTC by Brian Noble***
Mamoosh said:
Canada's Wonderland has a hole?
Probably between the "toes."
FWIW, I believe the phrase is "toeing the line." Meaning you come up against the edge without crossing it, or stay right on the line without stepping off. Think high-wire act.
I know it is not a true beach resort in the sense of an actual beach resort in, lets say, the Caribbean. But, it has a beach, pools, very pretty views, a beach walk and even surf sometimes. It is certainly pleasant enough to entice visitors to stay. And certainly is much more than what Canada's Wonderland has.
The swimming area was actually much, much better in the 60's and 70's when you could go into deep water and even body surf if the waves were right.
I'd rather be in my boat with a drink on the rocks, than in the drink with a boat on the rocks.
RatherGoodBear said:
FWIW, I believe the phrase is "toeing the line."
Unless you're a Dale Earnhardt Jr or Martin Truex Jr. fan, of course.
(or a fan of NASCAR in general, I suppose)
If those guys can "tow the line" then I can too, dammit! :)
Pete said:
Canada's Wonderland does not have the location and resort atmosphere Cedar Point does to ever hope to duplicate CP's success in getting people to stay.
Okay there, If being in the FIFTH largest Metro in North America only after Mexico City, L.A, NY and Chicago and being in the LARGEST and most Tourist visted city in CANADA, and being at a POPULAR attraction in that city which people WOULD want to stay orgo visit on the trip to Toronto isn't a good enough reason to get people to stay then I don't know what is? Why not.. Go visit Toronto for the day, grab the hotel at night, go to the Park the following day. Another scenerio, Drive down the highway turn off to get something eat or find a hotel only to find out there is an amusement park there if you didnt already see it driving down the highway and decide "lets spend the night here and hit up that park for a couple hours or the hole day tomorrow then continue on". But, yeah CP will always be the flagship, but CW *COULD* be if Kinzel didn't favour CP so much. It certainly will surpass it attendance wise, its already TIED with Magic Mountain in the coaster race (and we weren't featured on any of the Discovery Channel shows nor did they try to. On top of that all the coasters that will need replacements soon will only be replaced with something better now the CF is incharge. Then again they have all been maintained pretty darn well and instead of replacing em just use the free land CW has*theres lots and if Paramount didnt sell it all to allow people to build houses right up the park fence there would be alot more*:P). You really don't know the potential CW has.. trust me.
Im not a fan boy either so don't assume that. I've been to CP MORE times than I've been to CW and my SN is SIX FLAGS DARIENLAKE so Clearly that should tell you. Just because I live here and am Stating facts DOESN'T mean I love CW anymore then you. I know its hard to swallow that a park has the potential and will be better then CP if the current management doesn't do soemthing to screw up. If anything it looks like they realise they got a jewel on their hands and are giving it nothing but the TLC that Paramount didn't. But you know...either way CF wins.. they own it now, and all of CW's profit money could go into CP just like Paramount did by giving it all into KI year after year. (Not technically but CW killed KI in attendance/profits or was even closer to that yet almost every year Wonderland got the cheapest new attraction out of the Paramount Parks up until about 04 once Paramount realised they got a monster on their hands it was *almost 3 coasters in the last 4 years under Paramount: 04-TR:TR, 05-IJ:ST - 07-FLight of Fear now 08 Behomth...or you could just take it like a champ and pat CW in the back for FINALLY out beating everyones favourite park even though for the last 2 years it's been North-America's Best attended Seasonal Park and they dont got the resort yet so once it's built Canada's Wonderland WILL have the location(Toronto) and resort atmosphere unlike Cedar Points that itself will be enough in getting people to stay. ;)
rollergator said:
^But CF has already DONE their hotel building. CW hasn't even started.......and yes, I am aware of the neighborhoods surrounding CW. Much like GAdv, throw in some perks like early-admission, and the place would sell itself out instantly.
EXACTLY. Imagine what CW could build.. They got the land on the opposite side of Major Mackenzie Rd. complete with On ramps to the 400 Highway pretty much. There is not a hotel other then Motel 6's/Hilday Inn's or Highway Motels around the area and Being in THE most visited and THE biggest city in CANADA, a hotel or resort where the guest could stay.. Damn, even if the park was closed it would be all rooms sold out everynight. Get off the highway at Major Mack and boom there a hotel near gas stations, stores, food, Vaughan Mills(New mall with NASCAR speed park in it), WONDERLAND, Major Highways, A 500 K population in Vaughan and pretty much everything else make a hotel seem only appropriate just a matter of "When?". Even make it a **5*STAR** resort or something like that too. Vaughan is ALL new prettymuch and each house there is atleast 200K+... Haha, I love to dreammmm so Im going to stop and wait for reality but yeah, CW will get their hotel soon *crosses fingers* and it will blow CP's away. Maybe not attendance wise or size wise, but a newer hotel area would be better then Cp's old one even though its getting remodeled or whatever. I can say that and as much as people are going to doubt me...It's true. Theres approximately 6 million people within a 50 mile circle of Cw and only about 1 in Cp's case. Add in the non-park goers and locals who would stay at CW's hotel and there you have it. Cw is basically just like SFGAm.. located AWAY from the big city Chicago or in this case Toronto. Unlike the situation in Illinois where people can drive to other states and choose another park.. theres not much else to choose here and its alot more complicated crossing countries vs. states.
P.S GAtor, CW DID do that under Paramount ownership. Sp holders got 1hour ERT on a different half of the park each day. Monday-Tuesday would be The Kids area, Wed/Thur would be Medieval Fair/INternational (From Vortex - Dragon Fire) and Fri/Sat would be World Expo/Action Zone (From Top Gun - Minebuster. or something similar to that. It stopped once CF took over though..I think.
Lord Gonchar said:
Yeah, I did think of Wonderland when I made the 4 million claim.But here's the thing. Weren't they down a bit last year from their peak as well? Something like 3.3 million.
Are they really poised to do 20% attendance growth in one season?
New flagship? Perhaps.
4 million this year? Not so confident.
Im confident. They did 35% or something close to that in 04 when Tomb Raider was installed. Im sure BEHOMTH, a ride MILLIONS of people have driven by and seen on the 400 will pull in more then a crappy Volare did. If TR:TR can do it then Behomth, the parks BEST ever ride will DEFINATELY do it.
After 04 attendance jumped another 5% with IJST. After that they Were down in attendance because why?
In 2006 it was just a stupid stunt show that ended up getting removed the SAME year, then CF took over and 2007 was only the Coasters restaurant and a new FX theatre show although that would have been FoF from Kings Dominion if CF didnt hack all Paramounts plans. Now comes 2008: BEHOMTH..
CW will get MINIMUM 3 MIllion through the gates and the highest I'd Expect would be 4 Million or just under/over that. If Behomth, Fear Fest, Water Park in a hot Canadian Summer and being within a Close proximity to 5+ cities with over half a million people (Vaughan(600k), Toronto(5Million Metro), Mississauga(500K), Hamilton(505K), Kitchener/Waterloo, Buffalo, Etc.) doesn't do enough justice then think that with the right marketing, plus the ride being a bright orange visble land mark for miles I'm kinda conifdent they'll do it this year(or like i said just over/undeR 4M).
I live hear in Ontario, and I for sure know we could support probably 2 more parks the size of CW here. (1 More in Toronto, Throw one in Hamilton, and put a 3rd some where random). Heck, Disney was even going to do it (Didn't cuz of the "Seasonal" operations). I don't know Im getting off topic, but basically Wonderland will do it if CF doesn't slack on marketing and go ALL OUT like Paramount did in 04 with TR:TR (The best new coaster in the park since Top Gun in 95 and even then TG is better then the Volare, wait we got the Fly too but that was only a kiddie mouse not a "BIG" coaster.) They advertised TombRaider to be something AMAZING and fully themed, big and huge only to pull into the parking lot to find a Tiny little Teal and Yellow coaster that would have suited the Spongebob theme better... This year though people already CAN see Behomth for miles. Heck, it's taller then Drop Zone and THAT is amazing.
- *** Edited 2/9/2008 1:01:29 PM UTC by ??x Flag? Ðar??? Lak?***
If CW is smart they will build an indoor waterpark hotel on the land owned across the street before Great Wolf builds one nearby.
How did this forum start being about CF and not SF ? *** Edited 2/9/2008 9:16:19 PM UTC by Rye.D.Ziner***
My favorite MJ tune: "Billie Jean" which I have been listening to alot now. RIP MJ.
Ѕіx Flαgѕ Đαrієή Ĺαkє said:
Theres approximately 6 million people within a 50 mile circle of Cw and only about 1 in Cp's case.
That's most likely correct. So tell me, if most people who attend CW live within a 50 mile radius, why would they stay in a hotel? Plus, Toronto itself is loaded with hotels, and being Canada's largest city, Toronto is a tourist attraction in itself. Most Toronto tourists would make CW a side trip (if they go at all) and would most likely stay in the city close to restaurants, shows and nightlife.
I'd rather be in my boat with a drink on the rocks, than in the drink with a boat on the rocks.
Anyhow why do we always have to hear about SFI "giving the gate away" with their season pass prices? It doesn't matter what the prices are if people aren't buying them simply because they're displeased with previous expereinces at SF parks over the past couple years.
Did Six Flags buy Behemoth or something, because if they did, I think I missed out...
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