SIllverstar - what about the airtime

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:12 AM
Hi, I was wondering if anybody know whether Silverstar at Europapark is open during the winter, or wether it's closed so people don't catch a cold on it :o)

I'm thinking about going to Europapark just to ride this coaster a few times. I wonder if it's worth it... people are complaining that the trim-brakes are on to hard so all the nice airtime is gone. Can anyone here verify that?
What do you think about it?

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Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:24 AM

Well, firstly, SilverStar is not opened during winter. This is because a B&M can only function at temperatures above 5 degrees Celsius. I have experienced Europa-Park at winter before, and temperatures drop far even below -10 degrees Celsius. And that is really cold!

And, in short, SilverStar has almost no airtime. The trimbrakes are positioned just before the highest point of the airtime hills, and slow the train down just enough to make the hill. I'm not a real fan of SilverStar. My extended review can be read here:

http://frank.drnk.net/coastin/reviews/sista-en

I personally wouldn't go to Europa-Park just for SilverStar. But the park as a whole is worth quite a trip.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:13 PM

DRNK said:

And, in short, SilverStar has almost no airtime. The trimbrakes are positioned just before the highest point of the airtime hills, and slow the train down just enough to make the hill. I'm not a real fan of SilverStar. My extended review can be read here:

Call me crazy but I found Silver Star to have plenty of airtime. Given that it wasn't ejector air, but my arse was well above the seat for much of the ride, especially in the late afternoon and while riding in the back row.

-Sean


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Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:25 PM

We rode about 10 times and never once found more than a slight hint of airtime in any seat of the train. Even after our dissapointing moring rides, we went back about an hour before we left the park, rode a couple more times and nothing. The rest of the park, however, is not to be missed! Europa was the highlight for us on the ECO trip and is a park we plan to return to.

I love the fact that they have so many coasters there, yet not one single inversion!

--Robb "Silver Star had so much potential" Alvey

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Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:34 PM

Sean F said:

"...my arse was well above the seat for much of the ride."

Wait....getting a mental picture....there it is. Ahhhhhhhh ;)

Moosh [jus' kidding, Sean!]

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Wednesday, November 27, 2002 4:46 AM
i take it nitro is better then? nitro has quite a bit of "flojector airtime" even when the trims are on. the air is powerful enough to hold u into the clamshell for about 3 seconds on the big hills and a second and a half on the bunnies in totoal there is 10 plus seconds of perfect air on the ride.
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Wednesday, November 27, 2002 5:54 AM

Sean: I don't agree with you at all. SilverStar has *some* airtime when you ride front- or backseat. But nothing that can be called "a lot". I don't know what you where doing - or anyone else - with your arse, but it most certainly was not SilverStar that lifted it of your seat! :)

Robb Alvey said:

I love the fact that they have so many coasters there, yet not one single inversion!

--Robb "Silver Star had so much potential" Alvey

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Well, Europa-Park officials have confirmed that the park will not get any inversion rides in the future. They feel that an inversion ride does not belong in a familypark like Europa-Park. :)

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Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:44 AM

Airtime, schmairtime... WHO CARES!

Really, does a ride HAVE to have airtime to be worthwhile at all? I think not. Being well over 200' in the air is plenty of exhiliration for me.

--Richard, who is *not* an airtime junky

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Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:02 AM

General Public said:

Airtime, schmairtime... WHO CARES!

Really, does a ride HAVE to have airtime to be worthwhile at all? I think not. Being well over 200' in the air is plenty of exhiliration for me.

--Richard, who is *not* an airtime junky

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Well, I think the single-most important part of a hyper coaster is airtime. The most important part is of course the first drop. But really, Silver Star is boring. The first drop is fun, and the high speed S-turn just before the final brakes is rather cool. But that's it. None of the unoriginal bunnyhops, or the 'magnificient' horseshoe-turn are the least bit exciting. A roller coaster needs more than just two high-lights to be nice. Airtime could have made SilverStar a nice coaster. Now it isn't...

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Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:13 AM

I don't know how you all ride coasters, but I definately had airtime on Silver Star !
The trims are there to keep a floating airtime, rather than the Intamin style ejector airtime.

Overall, it's one hell of a ride, yet suitable for 'the whole family', as the park wanted the ride to be. The 240 ft. drop still amazes me every time too, again and again...

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Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:30 AM

They're just whiners who cry if a coaster isn't *exactly* how they want it.

I would venture to say SStar isn't as bad as these enthusiASSts say it is.

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Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:08 AM

Belgian said:

I don't know how you all ride coasters, but I definately had airtime on Silver Star !
The trims are there to keep a floating airtime, rather than the Intamin style ejector airtime.

Overall, it's one hell of a ride, yet suitable for 'the whole family', as the park wanted the ride to be. The 240 ft. drop still amazes me every time too, again and again...



Perhaps you should have done Superman Attracion de Acero in Warner Bros Park. That coaster - the floorless 7 inverter - has a lot more airtime than SilverStar, and yes, that is mainly floating airtime as well. That's a nice exemple of what floating airtime should be about.


General Public said:

They're just whiners who cry if a coaster isn't *exactly* how they want it.

I would venture to say SStar isn't as bad as these enthusiASSts say it is.

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Sorry for having an opinion...

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Wednesday, November 27, 2002 4:02 PM

General Public said:

Airtime, schmairtime... WHO CARES!

Really, does a ride HAVE to have airtime to be worthwhile at all? I think not. Being well over 200' in the air is plenty of exhiliration for me.

--Richard, who is *not* an airtime junky

I actualy agree with you Richard. I am not an airtime junkie either and have a hard time understanding folks that will say they hate a ride because it doesn't have airtime. For instance, I know of at least 10 people that disklike The Beast at PKI just because it doesn't have airtime.

What ever happend to riding for fun?

-Sean


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Wednesday, November 27, 2002 4:09 PM

DRNK said:

Sean: I don't agree with you at all. SilverStar has *some* airtime when you ride front- or backseat. But nothing that can be called "a lot".

That all depends on the rider I guess. My definition of airtime is anytime I feel weightless and start to float.

I don't know what you where doing - or anyone else - with your arse, but it most certainly was not SilverStar that lifted it of your seat!

I beg to differ. I wasn't the only one that was enjoying the airtime either. The entire group I was with was so impressed with the ride that we all bought our on-ride photos. A couple of us purchased them twice.

The bottom line for me is that I greatly enjoyed the ride. That's all that mattered.

-Sean



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Thursday, November 28, 2002 10:46 AM
I'm surprised. That ride looked like like it would have an incredibleamount of airtime. Why is that many B&M hypers are getting trimmed down now (Silverstar, Raging Bull)????
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Thursday, November 28, 2002 10:51 AM
Yes, but Raging Bull still has a nice dose of airtime to it. Although most of the "airtime hills" on Raging Bull are now trimmed or have no airtime, you still have the first drop. The only other hill that you sometimes get airtime on is the drop after the MCBR.

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Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:04 AM

Craig the Coaster Freak said:
I'm surprised. That ride looked like like it would have an incredibleamount of airtime. Why is that many B&M hypers are getting trimmed down now (Silverstar, Raging Bull)????


Ah, I've spoken to a 'professional' about this subject. He gave me a very plausible solution. :)

High negative G's are very uncomfortable, and are not quite good for your healt. So they must be avoided in roller coasters. Well, we all know Intamin hypers. They have great ejector-seat airtime. So why doesn't a B&M hyper? The reason is rather simple. B&M trains are almost twice as heavy as Intamin trains. The difference in mass is considerable between an empty B&M train and a full one. This gives us a practicle problem.

They train will have to complete the circuit when it's empty, but it will have to complete the circuit in a fashionable way when it is full as well. This can only by done by using very complicated mathematics. Thus resulting in a lot of trims, to keep the speed of a full train down.

Any more questions? ;)

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Thursday, November 28, 2002 2:12 PM

I understand what you are saying, but don't Intamin trains also have a significant difference between a full one and an empty one?

Come to think of it, isn't the difference betweena full an empty train on any coatsre sonsiderable? Why don't they all have trim brakes to put the train at a reasonable speed?

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Thursday, November 28, 2002 3:13 PM

DRNK said:

High negative G's are very uncomfortable, and are not quite good for your healt.

Excuse me!?!? Where did this little piece of data come from? I don't find them at all uncomfortable, and I'm almost tempted to call you "Markey" for your unsubstantiated claim about health effects.


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Thursday, November 28, 2002 3:56 PM

I'm very offended by General Public's comments. Obviously, there is no such thing as a "perfect" coaster to anybody, yet we still love them.

There is nothing wrong with riding for fun, but when a park puts forth so much money for a record breaking height coaster (tallest in Europe if I'm not mistaken) I really think they would've wanted one that would impress even the biggest thrill seekers, not just the "family".

I agree, Europa park is a family theme park, but if they want to cater to ALL types of families, there are thrill seeking families out there.

As for the airtime arguement, a coaster does not have to have airtime to be good, but when it's a bunch of "airtime" hills, without the airtime, it would be pretty darn boring if you ask me.

The Intamin comment makes me wonder, yes I could see why you would think that B&M trains weigh more, but do you just mean "per square foot" possibly because those Intamin trains are awfully long, I can't believe they have much less weight than a Beemer.

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