Should SFGAm get rid of a coaster?
2Hostyl said:
I *still* dont see the great facsination with this ride. I mean it's good for what it is an overglorified kiddie ride...
Dude...maybe that's the point of that ride...Not every ride has to have the intensity of IronWolf, B:TR or the like. I can't tell in enough detail to you the fun that I had when I first was able to ride Whizzer. Or the absolute look of glee in the face of my nephew when he firts rode it years ago. Whizzer still commands a serious number of riders each year and is a vital piece of the puzzle that is Great America.
I remember last year when I spoke with the SF:GAm PR person...I asked her about the possibility of removing a coaster (Shockwave) to put a new coaster in its' place. Her response was, "We are not in the business of removing coasters...we have plenty of space to expand our current coaster count for many years to come."
"Joe, who says crap just isn't worth saving."
Well then you can call me Matt, who says that a bad coaster is better than no coaster.
Also....your point on Iron Wolf's line isn't much of one. You can go to park one day a find Iron Wolf a walk on, or you can go and find an hour wait. Comparing it to Bull's line doesn't prove anything, either. I think its obvious that Wolf is still a popular ride, and if you want to see it torn down, fine, but I don't see why you would want to tear down a ride that a lot of the rest of us enjoy. Whatever happened to "The More the Merrier"?
Also, I don't understand your comment about SF's Ninja coasters, considering they are all different. You know, I think SFMM's pretty damn good.
You can call a coaster "crap" all you want, but I prefer to enjoy all coasters for what they are as much as I can. Its all in the eye of the beholder, you know. Personally, I think Hulk at IOA isn't very good at all, do I want it torn down? Um, no.
Anyways, screw it. Who's up for getting some matches and gasoline and having some fun with Leap-The-Dips?
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*** This post was edited by ravenguy98 on 4/7/2002. ***
*** This post was edited by ravenguy98 on 4/7/2002. ***
LOL!! Hey, I like your sig, Megadeth rules. I saw them in October, thank god I did.
I hope you meant I-94. Land west of I-294 would be at least fifteen miles from the park's current location.
Drop208: The reason SFGAm doesn't have a Premier launched coaster is because of the initial problems with the Chiller and the Freeze coasters. SFGAm was supposed to receive a launched coaster in '99, but pulled that idea because of the problems I mentioned and installed Raging Bull instead. When SF found a launched ride they were happy with (Intamin Impulse) they went with that.
-Nate (who says tear down Shockwave!!)
I think it's kind of funny how people can get so worked up over a topic such as "should we remove a roller coaster?".
This forum is a place where we can express our ideas and opinions as long as we try to show respect for one another.
All of us have our favorite rides whether or not they are wood and steel. I like them both, some old and some new.
Yes, Raven can be rough at times and after riding the Beast seven times in an hour after the park has closed with almost all of the trims off can also be hard on the body too. I love these rides. Some people love the Vortex at PKI, but it is hard on my body. I find the restraints uncomfortable and the transitions rough. I would prefer that it would be "replaced". CP will never remove Mean Streak even if it had to install more trims to keep it together. I would prefer that it would be "fixed" or "replaced" by another woodie such as Ghostrider or Shivering Timbers. CP has a good track record of running their park and I'm not going to second guess them. I would have ridden Vertigo if they would have left it.
The executives get paid to make the decisions. We as the peeps have our opions too and can choose to go where we feel our needs and wants are met. I've never personally been to a bad park, but I do find some more appealing than others.
My favorite ride (as is my daughter's) is Katanga in Orlando. The Skyscraper is intense in a different kind of way.
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redman822 said:
"Dude...maybe that's the point of that ride...Not every ride has to have the intensity of IronWolf, B:TR or the like. I can't tell in enough detail to you the fun that I had when I first was able to ride Whizzer."
Well, "Dude", I dont see any lamenting over other similar intensity rides like CCMR, BTMR, RKMT, or any of a thousand and one mine-train-like rides. And my first ride on Whizzer was so many years ago I cannot remember what it was like.
Now, I *never* want to see Whizzer removed in view of a 4-D, a floorless, or any such nonsense like that. I would *only* want to see a similar intensity ride in its stead. *BUT* if the choice came between Whizzer and a heavily themed mine ride, I'd *quickly* say "out with the old, in with the new!"
lata,
jeremy
--"Who the *&*( you callin' dude? You don't even know me" Crucial Conflict "ShowDown"
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"Nobody writes about the planes that land." Steve Salerno Washington Times 7-10-01
hehehe, how does that saying go, "one man's crap is another's...." There are some rides I'd love to see torn down, Psyclone is one of them. But I usually don't pick on rides just because I think they suck, hey if others like it, knock yourselves out. Only if I feel a ride is causing more pain than it's worth for either the riders or the park, as was the case with Windjammer, do I want it removed. Still, I don't get a vote, so why worry about it.
I get the feeling that some of you would love it if life were a bit more like RCT, don't like it? Bored with it, click on it, hit delete, replace it with a brand spanking new B&M.
Hey, didn't SFOG just do that? ;)
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"Is it possible that we are feeling more brave than usual sitting at home behind our computer screens and eating Doritos"? -Ophthodoc
I have an idea - move all the stupid upcharge attractions over there. :-)
-Nate
coasterdude318, of course moving all the upcharge out of the park would make the most sense from a business perspective.
Its good that you're kidding.
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Excalibur Crew for 2002!
SFGA2001: I don't think something like Scooby Doo would work with Shockwave if that's what you meant. and why would areas of strong negative g's stop the park from giving a ride the PR treatment?
I believe it was Great America if not Six Flags who said that they are in the coaster building business, not the coaster destroying business. so I really don't think anyone should have any worries about rides being removed. the only reason any park should remove a ride is if that ride is becoming unprofitable, not because a few spoiled "enthusiasts" b**** and moan about the smallest detail that they believe the professionals running the park have overlooked.
if you don't like a ride, fine. express your opinion for why you dislike it, but just because the coaster isn't fun to you doesn't mean that other people don't/shouldn't like it nor does it mean that the park should take it out.
I think that SFGA will do just fine with upcoming rides and I hope that they realize that not all enthusiasts are as babyish as the majority of those posting here.
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-Bob (formerly Coaster Jedi)
Knott's Berry Farm Cuba ~South Park
"Your proctologist called, he found your head!" ~Jerry "The King" Lawler
2Hostyl said:Well, "Dude", I dont see any lamenting over other similar intensity rides like CCMR, BTMR, RKMT, or any of a thousand and one mine-train-like rides.
Hey, mine trains are fun, too. Though, I must admit that some of Arrow's old mine train layouts are pretty crappy with those long slow straight sections and about 200 feet between lifts, however some do provide a fairly intense ride with some great laterals.
*** This post was edited by The Shy One on 4/7/2002. ***
sorry, SFGA2001. yes, I suppose an interactive ride at SFGA would be pretty cool.
as for lap bars and negative g's: most coasters with negative g's have lap bars already. Viper's got some insane air time and its only got lap bars. anyway, if you're gonna PR Shockwave then you gotta keep that first loop and OTSR's IMO. its just not Shockwave without that loop.
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-Bob (formerly Coaster Jedi)
Knott's Berry Farm Cuba ~South Park
"Your proctologist called, he found your head!" ~Jerry "The King" Lawler
I was going to correct I-294 to I-94 two miuntes after I posted that. Thanks Coasterdude! Anyhow, last year at No Coaster 2001 I asked the rep at SFGAm about the rumor mill grinding away at Shockwave's removal and he said, "We're not in the business of taking rides down." Then later in the year I hear 2001 was Whizzer's last year. I'm 30 years old and I enjoy ridding Whizzer. Everyone wants this or that to go but they have to remember that whichever ride they are mentioning, someone really enjoys it!
SFGA Bob, got to agree with you and Marty Mark. I expressed my opinions about disliking four rides at SFGam, but do not want to deprive anyone who likes those rides the opportunity to enjoy themselves.
Some people have forgotten the topic "Should SFGam get rid of a coaster?" It's only a matter of opinion, besides, in an earlier response of mine above I stated that I had a great time for the two days I visited. Shockwave may have a loyal following but it sure was rough on my body.
Sorry I have to stray from the topic, but not to make anyone confused, The Highway running next to Six Flags Great America is I-294. You know this because there are toll booths on the road. The road to the east is highway 41. You know this because it has no tollbooths and is the one about 15 miles East of the park. This road has the stop lights on it up north. When the roads I-294, and 41meet it once again is called I-94. Got this from IDOT.
Now back to the topic, With all the land great america now owns, There is no need to take a coaster down unless the maintinece has gotten way to expensive. The only coaster I can see this happening to is the Whizzer since it is pretty much the last of its kind and parts are most likely getting hard to come by.
*** This post was edited by Scott1616 on 4/8/2002. ***
That is I 94 Scott1616. Coming from Indiana, I hit I 94 first which at the fork if you go right you go toward Chicago on I 94. You have to go left toward Wisconsin which is 294. right Before you get to Great America, 294 turns back into I-94. I have made the trip time and time again. I know because I used to drive a limo. Also, look on their home page at the directions coming from Indiana.
http://www.sixflags.com/parks/greatamerica/ParkInfo/directions.html
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*** This post was edited by stoogemanmoe on 4/8/2002. ***
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