Should SFGAm get rid of a coaster?

Sunday, April 7, 2002 11:27 AM

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SFGAm has been getting a lot more Coasters and more popularity over the past few years, Raging Bull, Giant Drop, and the Two Coaster Combo last year definitely made it better. But if the park decides to add more will they run out of space? I'm not sure how much land Six Flags owns, so if they do run out of room, should they get rid of a Coaster, and if so, which one? Whizzer, Iron Wolf , and the Demon are all starting to bore me. But they won't get rid of Iron Wolf because it was the first B&M, but I think it is a terrible, rough ride with a rather dull layout. Whizzer is it's only of it's kind, and Demon is the first big coaster there, so all three of them have their history at the park, so I doubt those are going. What do you think, should they get rid of a coaster if they start running out of space? And which one?

*** This post was edited by Jeff on 4/7/2002. ***

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 12:02 PM

A lot of people will dissagree what I say, but I think Shockwave should come out. Not many GP like that ride because of it's roughness, but I still do. I really like the ride, it's fast, has many inversions, and it pulls good g's, but the space it stands on is enormous. If SFGAm takes that coaster down, they can fit just about any other type of coaster in its spot (Flying, Floorless, 4-D). I think Whizzer and Demon are a must stay because of history and they are both "smaller" than most coasters, and it gives thrills to younger kids. I personaly love Iron Wolf, a lot of people say it's rough, but I would like to see it get replaced with a more modern Stand-Up. But I still like it.

So out of all coasters, I personaly think Shockwave should go. It would only be for the better.

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 12:03 PM
They have plenty of space. I wouldn't worry about it.

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 12:06 PM

Actually, unless they take out a coaster, they're out of space (unless they can expand across the highway).

Considering how quick SF to take out one of the last of it's kind Triple arm Ferris Wheels, the Sky Whirl, I highly doubt SF would have nostalgia in mind when it decides to remove are ride, so Demon, Whizzer, Iron Wolf.... all the rides are game.

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 12:09 PM

I think Shockwave is the second roughest ride in the park after Iron Wolf. I really don't think roller coasters built on parking lots are pleasing to the eyes. I wouldn't mind if shockwave was taken out for something better.

Also Great America is looking at the land directly west of I-294, at least that's what their rep said at No Coaster.

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 12:12 PM
I don't think I would ever get tired of Whizzer (I have never ridden it). SFGAm is lucky to still have it. Big Bend (SFOT) didn't quite make it. I would rather have an old speedracer than a B&M. I may get bashed for that, but I really don't care.
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Sunday, April 7, 2002 12:20 PM

IMO these rides have got to go (in no particular order)

1) Shockwave 2) Iron Wolf 3) Demon 4) Am Eagle

but then again, folks at CP still love the Blue Streak and Mean Streak. I guess you can't please everyone. P.S. save the Whizzer !!!!

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 12:22 PM

JoNoJ27 said:

Actually, unless they take out a coaster, they're out of space



Lol, I suppose you have just have better knowledge of the park's space situation then the park itself does. Think about it, dude, why would a park expand and expand and expand, and then get to 2002, and just be like..."Whoops! Out of space! Darn."

The sky whirl was a mantinence nightmare, and saw dwindling popularity, so it only makes sense for it to be gone. Since when do ride removals mean that a park is out of space? Kings Island just removed Cobra, and yet Kings Island has only used up about a 3rd of the land they actually own. They don't have a space problem.

Here's another thing: parks are good at not showing you empty space. Before Mantis was built nobody expected CP to build where Mantis is now, and nobody really was screaming about all of the available land that MF sits on now, either. Parks are good at that. Its not like you can just look at a park map, and know where the new coasters are going to go, because if there isn't an attraction, the park doesn't show it to you.

Next: you can build a coaster practically anywhere. SFGAm is one of the biggest parks in the world. I don't think anybody will disagree that this park is truly expansive. That being said, lets say just for kicks that there is NO open space for SFGAm to build on (which isn't true, just humor me for a second.) Lets look at Great Bear. The ride goes Over SooperDooperLooper, over a log flume, over an antique car ride (i think, if not, the log flume definately does), over a creek, and directly over the midway, all within a very confining space. Another perfect example is the mind boggling Cornball Express, Goliath going over Collosus, Phantom's Revenge interacting with Thunderbolt, and a slew of other creative ride installations. SFGAm has plenty of space to build, but even if they didn't, you'd have to be daft to think that they couldn't fit in a coaster just about anywhere in the park. Hell, they used up parking lot space for Shockwave, that's a simple enough solution. I would think they could easily afford to do something as simple as that again.

Trust me, a park doesn't become as succesful as this one but just dropping rides in willy nilly until they run out of space. Every ride is a careful consideration of spacial requirements, marketablity, demographics, etc... SFGAm has just as much a space problem as CP does, i.e., none.

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 12:23 PM

scooter said:

IMO these rides have got to go (in no particular order)


This also seriously disturbs me. Why would any enthusiast want to see any coaster torn down? I thought we were in this for the love of coasters, not the love of tearing them down.

EDIT:

And one last note, until Iron Wolf see's a dwindling of ridership (lines seem pretty robust to me!) or mantinence problems (its a B&M, so doubtful) it won't be removed just because some enthusiasts don't like it. I can see Shockwave going eventually for the above reasons, but still doubt it will happen anytime soon.

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*** This post was edited by ravenguy98 on 4/7/2002. ***

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 12:28 PM

The Skywhirl would have been taken out even if dèjú vu weren't built. Parts were too hard to find to keep it running. As for space, they still have a bit to build on:

a) build around the movie theatre and behind Roaring Rapids in Orleans place like Top Gun @ PGA

b) build behind Space Shuttle America. It could go over the go-karts and behind the Whizzer.

c) relocate some of the parking lot across the street and start running buses back & forth or build a tunnel under the highway. Then build up in the front of the current parking lot.

d) With Power Dive and the Cajun Cliffhanger gone, they could take out the building between & buld a coaster in the space made.

e) move the Picnic grounds. Maybe to that "clearing" people talked about a while ago behind the employee parking lot or across the highway next to the future waterpark & use the space left over for a coaster.

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 12:55 PM
They have lots of room, trust me, last year I went and saw the land around it. There's a lot of empty space around there, like blocks of them. They can use that alright ;)

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 1:00 PM

The Shy One said:
"I don't think I would ever get tired of Whizzer (I have never ridden it)"

I *still* dont see the great facsination with this ride. I mean it's good for what it is an overglorified kiddie ride but not something I would travel miles and miles for. Hell, I think the last time I rode it was either in '93 or '96 and I've been to the park several times since then. As that Dad says in that Apple Jacks commercial "I dont see what's so thrilling about 'em" (Yeah, you could make a killer sandwich out of 'em!)

Anyway, if they want to take out a ride, take out those crappy go-karts. You could stick a wild mouse there (even though I lothe mice too :)
lata,
jeremy
--who would love to see a dark ride show up in SFGAm (Scooby's GhostBlasters maybe?)

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 1:18 PM

Well this issue hasn't been beat to death or anything. (HA!)

The park owns the land west of the Tollway (I-94) and has been eying it as a water park and hotel site for quite some time. There already is a tunnel under the tollway (Washington Ave underpass)

There is a LOT of space is Whizzer comes out. There isn't as much space gained if Wolf or Demon come out. Wolf is in good shape, and so is Demon AND Whizzer.

I know that Shockwave has a legion of loyal fans, but there is a lot of space to be gained if that ride is removed.

Remember, when picking spots for new coasters, you just can't build wherever. There are height restricions and laws on how close a ride area can come to guests. So we have to be realists on where it could fit. Yeah, you could tear out Orleans Grill and put a coaster or other substantial ride in there. Thats a pretty good spot, but thats the only larger resteraunt in the area serving burgers and fries.

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 1:25 PM
Get rid of Demon . . . and then Shockwave. I kind of like Iron Wolf. Rough, but it's still neat.

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 1:26 PM

Ravenguy98,

Why would this disturb you? The topic is "should SFGam get rid of a coaster?". Everyone has an opinion and mine was not to flame SFGam. I went there for a couple of days a couple of years ago and had a great time, but made sure that I didn't go for a second ride on the above mentioned coasters.

My homepark is CP and I couldn't get my name on a petition fast enought in order to get rid of Blue Streak and Mean Streak. I love wood, but not these " rides of roughness".

Many people still like and love these rides. It just happens that my daughter and I find them offensive and rough. In a way, I kind of like them being there because while people are on those rides, the lines where we are are probably shorter because of that. Speaking of "wood", I can't wait for SRM at HW which will be here in a few short weeks.

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 1:35 PM
I still dont know why they put the go karts where they are now. they could have put a premier launched coaster in that exact spot. Also, if they took out the picnic area and the wilderness theater (do they still even use that, and wasn't that the old dolphin show?) they could put a whole new area there but the neighbors would complain. And there are many compact coasters that harent at SFGAM yet ex: 4d, Yes it is compact, arrowbatic ( i would love one), regular wild mouse, .... Also, i would like to see them put in a HUGE S&S thrillshot/turbodrop in the area where cliffhanger and power dive are/were. I have looked at that for a long time and i don't think that there would be that much room there to put in a coaster but if they put in a 300ft+ multi tower there on the land of SFGAM's first drop ride, then they could draw a lot of people back to that area of the park. Giant drop doesn't measure up with the newer drop rides, i would like to see stand up cars on it.
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Sunday, April 7, 2002 1:38 PM

scooter said:

Why would this disturb you?



Because preservation and enthusiasm go hand in hand. If SFGAm tears down a coaster, that's just one less coaster that we get to ride, or my children get to ride, or my grandchildren get to ride.

The notion that you would like to see Blue Streak torn down is just awful. The coaster is a classic, how in the world would it benefit you if it were torn down? Wanting a coaster torn down just because you personally think its "too rough" is awfully selfish. So much of what being an enthusiast is based on is preservation. Just look what's been done with Leap-The-Dips, its miraculous, and it could have never happend without enthusiasts' help.

Seriously, I just can't get over that? Tear down Blue Streak? Tear down BLUE STREAK? C'mon dude, have a sense of history, and nostalgia, or something! If other people had your attitude, half the coasters we have today would be torn down, and we'd be stuck right back into the 50's and 60's where we had virutally no coasters to ride.

I mean, liking coasters and wanting to tear them down just doesn't make sense to me.

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Naw, I just want to keep going with this. Ok, so Blue Streak is rough, lets tear it down. While we're at it, lets get rid of some more rough rides...lets see, how about The Beast? Or the Coney Island Cyclone, that one should be just ripe for the wrecking ball. Oh yeah, and all of those wooden coaster on the boardwalks in California, those suck, too. Down they go! Yay! Lets all cheer. Hell, The Raven's pretty rough, too. What should we do with it?

Oops, just thought of another: I sure am happy I'll never get to ride Mr. Twister. Good thing they sent that one to the scrap heap when they got the chance.

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*** This post was edited by ravenguy98 on 4/7/2002. ***

*** This post was edited by ravenguy98 on 4/7/2002. ***

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 1:49 PM

2Hostyl said:

I *still* dont see the great facsination with this ride.


It's a good ride if you're on a date.:)

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 1:52 PM

phlaqpants said:
Get rid of Demon . . . and then Shockwave. I kind of like Iron Wolf. Rough, but it's still neat.


Nah, I say we tear down Raging Bull, Viper, Deja Vu, and V2. Oh yea, Batman's gotta go too.

As mentioned before, Everyone has their own opinions, but why talk about demolishing coasters? ravenguy98 said that the park won't listen to a bunch of enthusiasts so why even talk about such a grim topic?

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Sunday, April 7, 2002 1:53 PM

Yeah, thank God for coaster preservation...I mean, what would I do if I couldn't ride the SF Ninja coasters? Thanks for buying them and giving them a home SF!

One more thing...Iron Wolf's line robust? You mean all 10 minutes of it (after 5pm or so)? What do you call the 45min wait for Bull? LOL.

Joe, who says crap just isn't worth saving.

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