Shanghai Disneyland will close in effort to contain coronavirus

They knew the economy would hurt short term, I think that it will drag on much longer, and that you may see a total shift in the way of life compared to previous. Whether or not you agree with that shift is personal preference and I think that the shift which might occur could take many years to revert if it does at all. I don't think this was even considered in the initial thought process.

The speed at which things were shutdown and scope of it were very surprising to me. With little discussion/debate. Nature of the issue didn't leave a lot of time for that though. Still we tend to discuss/debate everything (often well past being useful/helpful). I agree that I don't think a lot of thought was given to the back side of issue. Shut things down but how do we restart them and when?

The V-shaped recovery that was discussed by some always was a folly. Particularly as the shutdown was extended. Consumer spending is 70% of US GDP. Layoffs, pay cuts, reduced hours, etc result in consumer uncertainty and reduced spending. And all of those issues do not go away even if 100% of stay at home orders are rescinded (and they are not despite what a lot of people seem to say in terms of we either all stay at home or we open the economy up 100% as if there is nothing in the middle). Will take months or even years for that spending to return (and some of it may not).

In terms of colleges, looks like a lot of colleges are still in planning stages. Ohio State is saying they will announce plans in mid-June. University of Kentucky is looking at 4 options. "Normal" open (just in terms of time -- social distancing and other protections would still be in place), delayed open, hybrid open (online classes continue until September, in-person Sept to Thanksgiving and either online/in-person for rest of semester--TBD) and full online fall Semester.

https://www.uky.edu/coronavirus/concept-plans?j=221770&sfmc_sub=131...66798&jb=0

Would seem that canceling fall breaks and looking at not coming back after Thanksgiving make sense. Both give opportunities for students, faculty and staff to travel to different parts of the country and bring back Covid to campus. Also seems likely there will be a return in the fall (sometime in November would make sense but a guess no doubt) so you may be looking to close things down in any event.

GoBucks89 said:

University of Kentucky is looking at 4 options. "Normal" open (just in terms of time -- social distancing and other protections would still be in place), delayed open, hybrid open (online classes continue until September, in-person Sept to Thanksgiving and either online/in-person for rest of semester--TBD) and full online fall Semester.

College kids don't social distance. It might happen in class but it will never happen elsewhere.

So my understanding was the initial shutdown was to allow health care to increase capacity. I don't really know how we're doing on that, but it was a super short term goal. That was never really a good criteria for reopening. A secondary goal was (has emerged as) to increase testing and contact tracing which I understand isn't where it needs to be for safe reopening, at least if you look at S. Korea and China and other places that are seeing a reemergence. That's a goal we could still aim for and use as a measure for reopening readiness.

That would certainly make a lot more sense, to reopen based on ability to test instead of infection spread. Without that knowledge, you can't possibly hope to control or limit infection.

If the masses will scream and protest over buying seeds at Walmart they will never go for meaningful contact tracing. Not without being convinced by their preferred leaders and I have seen no effort to that end yet.

Well, sure. Many of them also think this is all a hoax, also due to their preferred leaders, so this is all probably theoretical anyway.

Well, the Earth is flat you know...

The president has this all figured out. If we stop testing, we’ll have fewer cases.

College kids don't social distance. It might happen in class but it will never happen elsewhere.

I agree that college is the normal context is pretty much an anti-social distancing endeavor. But we are in a new normal situation. Plan for "normal" open lists a number of social distancing policies outside the classroom. Will college kids follow them? Not sure. But I know a bunch of 30 and 40 year olds who won't social distance either that I see every time I walk the dog around the neighborhood. And there are a lot of "never happen" from two months ago that happen today. Goals are not to eliminate spread but reduce it.

Ask college kids who spent the last two months with their parents if they would be willing to accept social distancing as a requirement to be back on campus in the Fall and I think you get a very different answer than you would have gotten 2 months ago. Not all of them though. But in reality college kids (like the rest of us) will be living with at least some level of social distancing for a while (whether they live on campus with in-person classes or taking everything online). So the option of "we don't social distance" isn't really an option.

Ultimately the "normal" plan is one of four being considered. Not clear at this point which one will actually be implemented. May well vary by college across the country. We shall see.

In terms of contact tracing, I don't think privacy is a one party or the other concern. Though at this point, there likely will be less resistance from a lot of people as a trade-off in terms of getting back to something closer to normal.

Ask college kids who spent the last two months with their parents if they would be willing to accept social distancing as a requirement to be back on campus in the Fall and I think you get a very different answer than you would have gotten 2 months ago.

Completely anecdotally, but...

My son just finished his second collegiate year. He came home for the second half of the term when courses went online-only. By the end of that, he and his three campus housemates decided that they'd rather SIP together than do so with their parents, and decided to move back (their lease runs through late August). They talked about what the rules would be: no guests inside the house, no socializing elsewhere, 6ft.+ separation in lawn chairs outside if anyone else is there, and discouraging even that. Will they stick to that? I have my doubts. But at least they are thinking about it and taking it seriously. And this was internally generated by those four---they aren't required to really do any of that, but they understand at least some of the risks and are weighing them.

And no, he wasn't making that up to get permission to go. He's an adult; we told him that if he wanted to go back he could, but that if he did go it would be for the rest of the summer. We didn't want him going back and forth between his house and ours, no matter what the safety/distancing plans were.

DelGrosso's Park in PA is the first (or one of the first) to bail on the entire 2020 season

Well, they sell lots of skettie sauce, so hopefully they’ll be ok.

Some of the best park food I've ever had was back in the 2000s when I was at a few of their "Spaghetti Wednesdays" in the park.

I haven't bought a can of "Manwich" since I found out I could get DelGrosso's sloppy joe sauce at Big Bird. I've never had the spaghetti in the park, but I use plenty of their sauce at home...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

Here in Florida all we can get are the high end $6.99 a jar fancy DelGrosso's sauces. When I am visiting my parents up north I know I see the regular stuff at 89 cents a jar at Marc's.

I'd try the sloppy joe sauce if we had it here. Am I the only one that grew up with sloppy joes made from the powdered mix and then was blown away the first time they had canned mix?

This is the weirdest thread ever. Also funny because the closing thread is active at the same time as the opening thread.

The really awesome sloppy joes are the ones you make yourself, without a can of stuff or an envelope of mix. And really easy to do, basically in the same amount of time, using flavors and add-ins you really like.

^ adding to the weirdness

My grandmother would make then like that. It was basically her ground beef pasta sauce with a few different spices and a little less tomato paste to make it thicker. Those were by far the best.

Yep. My grandma's sloppy joes were my introduction to horseradish and Worcestershire sauce. She was like a witch in the kitchen mixing all these ingredients I had never even heard of before.

But good lord, were they good.

Nope...never saw that coming up in this thread.

That's why this kind of discussion forum exists. In fact, that's why this kind of discussion forum *needs to* exist.

And yes, rec.roller-coaster is still out there (and I still read it), but it isn't as active as it used to be...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.