Shanghai Disneyland will close in effort to contain coronavirus

Posted Friday, January 24, 2020 11:49 AM | Contributed by Tekwardo

Shanghai Disneyland will close its gates on Saturday in an effort to stop the spread of a new SARS-like virus that has killed 26 people and sickened at least 881, primarily in China. It’s not known when the theme park may reopen.

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Tuesday, April 13, 2021 2:42 PM
ApolloAndy's avatar

Well, the article says there are thousands of normal blood clots and this is much rarer. From that information we don't know what the baseline for CVST incidence is. Maybe it's 0.1 per million or 0.95 per million. Without that information, it's hard to make a judgement on how much we should care about this possibility.

I also wonder if the pause is a pro forma response because the vaccines are still under emergency authorization. Like, maybe it has nothing to do with weighing the risk vs. the benefit in the short term and everything to do with the approval process for vaccines. I'm just speculating, but I guess the general disposition of the FDA, especially with anti-vax as a general idea in addition to Covid specific anti-vax, is to make sure that no real health risk can ever be attributed to approved vaccines. The vaccine rollout is important but so is the long term confidence in the safety of vaccines for the next few decades.


Hobbes: "What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do?"
Calvin: "If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun."

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Tuesday, April 13, 2021 3:01 PM

It's recklessness is what it is. Which do you think is a higher risk for someone in a high risk category...that you have a one in a million shot at developing a blood clot that the vaccine may or may not be responsible, or getting a serious case of Covid that includes hospitalization and/or death.

I re-iterate, it's reckless to stop giving the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.

Furthermore, if you haven't figured it out yet, Covid is very political. A recent example is when the CDC director says it's safe for kids to be in school, until Joe Biden says it's not (due to pressure from the teacher's unions). And that's hardly the only glaring example.

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Tuesday, April 13, 2021 3:25 PM
Fun's avatar

I would agree it would be concerning if there weren't alternatives... but there appear to be plenty of opportunities to get the other vaccines at this point.

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Tuesday, April 13, 2021 4:09 PM

I don't have anything substantive to add. I just wanted to make sure I was memorialized on page 200 of this thread. But, in order to not get deleted...get the vaccine.

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Tuesday, April 13, 2021 4:16 PM

From what I have seen and heard, I think the pause is more about confidence in the process than anything else. Be transparent with what is happening. Its not the anti-vaxxers who we are most concerned about (few will change their mind no matter what happens). Its the rational people who are hesitant. If they think issues are being hidden (even if risks are low), they may not get a shot.

Pause (which is expected to last days/weeks not weeks/months) will also give providers a chance to understand what symptoms or situations to consider. So far its only women (which I think also plays a role as it should) who are under 50. Maybe we don't give the J&J vaccine to women who are under 50. Or maybe there are other conditions/meds that play a role and we know to avoid those.

In the meantime, we have 2 other efficacious vaccines that are running full steam ahead. From what I understand, some of the sites in Ohio that were giving J&J were able to switch over to Pfizer or Moderna. Presumably that is true in other states as well. And 15 million doses of the J&J vaccine were spoiled a couple weeks ago so that supply was likely down at this point in any event.

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Tuesday, April 13, 2021 9:33 PM

wahoo skipper said:

I don't have anything substantive to add. I just wanted to make sure I was memorialized on page 200 of this thread. But, in order to not get deleted...get the vaccine.

We've come a long way from "I'm going on my cruise", "There's no way this affects amusement parks" and "What are we supposed to do? Stop going to work and stay home?"

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Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:43 PM
Lord Gonchar's avatar

Although, in fairness:

I wouldn't be going on a cruise anyway, I did visit amusement parks last year and no one in my family ever stopped working as they were before the pandemic.

But yeah, totally. This thread is a terrific time capsule.


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Wednesday, April 14, 2021 7:53 AM
kpjb's avatar

I'm considering going on a cruise.


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Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:21 AM
Bakeman31092's avatar

It’s going to be awkward when Shanghai Disneyland makes the news on this site for something other than COVID.


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Wednesday, April 14, 2021 10:58 AM
ApolloAndy's avatar

A podcast transcript with lots of answers (or the same questions) about vaccine pause:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-johnson-johnson-pause-show...s-working/


Hobbes: "What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do?"
Calvin: "If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun."

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Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:25 PM
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Imagine a group of people walking towards a brand new coaster with some new technology getting ready to ride. In this group there are coaster nerds who know how the ride functions and obviously need no encouragement to ride, some who are wary but are willing to ride, others who want to sit back and watch the coaster safely cycle again and again before getting on, and then some who incorrectly believe that coasters are not safe. You're one of the nerds, and you've been waiting over a year to ride. No trains can dispatch without at least 75% capacity...

While you walk towards it, the train stops unexpectedly at the top of lift.

This pause is just an e-stop on the way up the lift hill. It's supposed to happen, it doesn't mean anything is inherently wrong with the ride at all, and it doesn't mean people should get out of line. It's not the pause that gets under my skin; that's part of the process and skipping it could backfire in unintended ways. It's the unnecessary fear and hesitancy this will create that will at worst prevent and at best delay the train from dispatching because of the folks who aren't nerds. Feed a tiny spark of anxiety/fear with some "evidence" that supports the irrationality, and you've got a bonfire in no time.

Forget Fauci. We need the voice of T. Clark in every Walgreens, Rite-Aid, and mass-vax site in the country....

"Ladies and gentleman, the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is currently down. We do not know how long this pause will take. While you are welcome to sit at home and wait, we encourage you to get out into the world and enjoy one of the other vaccine experiences"

Last edited by OhioStater, Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:26 PM

Promoter of fog.

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Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:56 PM
Lord Gonchar's avatar

"Vaccine Experience 1 is a great value!"


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Wednesday, April 14, 2021 6:45 PM
ApolloAndy's avatar

"Just looking at Vaccine Experience 2 makes me sick!"


Hobbes: "What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do?"
Calvin: "If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun."

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Wednesday, April 14, 2021 7:05 PM

“I’m not taking Vaccine 3. It doesn’t look safe!”

Which followed the previous “I’ve been queuing for Vaccine 1 for ages”.

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Wednesday, April 14, 2021 7:06 PM
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Blast. Beaten to it.

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Wednesday, April 14, 2021 8:23 PM
Bakeman31092's avatar

Conspiracy theorist after getting the vaccine: “I have the strangest feeling someone is watching me!”


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Wednesday, April 14, 2021 8:38 PM

And a strong urge to buy Microsoft products.

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Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:26 AM
Vater's avatar

It's those 5G towers, man. Taer them down!!!1!

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Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:49 PM

I saw this MarketWatch article...

A study by Oxford University found the number of people who receive blood clots after getting vaccinated with a coronavirus vaccine are about the same for those who get Pfizer and Moderna vaccines as they are for the AstraZeneca vaccine that was produced with the university's help. According to the study, 4 in 1 million people experience cerebral venous thrombosis after getting the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, versus 5 in 1 million people for the AstraZeneca vaccine. The risk of getting CVT is much higher for those who get COVID-19 -- 39 in a million patients -- is higher than it is for those for get vaccinated. AstraZeneca's vaccine use has been halted or limited in many countries on blood clot concerns.

No reference to the J&J vaccine that was being discussed here earlier but I found it interesting that the chances of getting CVT is higher if you get covid versus from the vaccine.

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Friday, April 16, 2021 1:05 PM

Yesterday at work a woman that comes in regularly mentioned she wouldn't be getting a vaccine because "of all the people that have died from it." She looked at me with genuine disbelief when I told her that simply was not true. We talked for a few minutes and she was at least open to learning about how that's not the case.

I know I didn't convince her to get it. But I did make her question her false belief that hundreds of people have keeled over simply from the shot. We need to continue to find ways to reach out to folks like that.

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