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Sunday, April 13, 2003 11:43 AM

Zero-G said:
Lol, I surprise my self sometimes. Ok, what I meant to say was SFWoA bashing is old.

That remains to be seen, actually. I really hope they redeem themselves this season, and WILL go in with an open mind, but they have alot to make up for.

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Sunday, April 13, 2003 11:58 AM
i still dont see why everyone hates this park...sure it has its downsides...but every park does...

it has a great collection of coasters and it is trying to improve itself every year...

get this Im proud to say that SFWOA is my homepark...ok maybe with shared custidy of Cedar Point...

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Sunday, April 13, 2003 12:25 PM
I wouldn't say I HATE the park, just wasn't satisfied at all! For one thing, when I went last summer, Double Loop, Mind Eraser, and S:UE were all closed. So that right there got me off to a bad start.

Secondly, I wouldn't quite call the coaster collection great by any means. Big Dipper was much better than I thought, BKF was good, and X flight was just OK. Villain was very dissapointing, Serial Thriller was not too good, and Wolf Bobs was absolutely horrible!!

As others have posted, when you go to a park primarily to ride coasters, and spend more of your time looking at the animal exhibits, doesn't say too much for the rides. I would not return there unless they got a "must ride" new coaster. Otherwise, I'll spend an extra day at Cedar Point!!

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Sunday, April 13, 2003 12:52 PM
The park seemed very unorganized. I went there the last year it was Geauga Lake and the first year it was SFO. I wasn't impressed. I actually liked it better when it was GL. The catering was also very unorganized, i may be spoiled working at a zoo with an ok catering dept. But at least the zoo seems to be organized and know what they were doing. Coasters won't revive the park, but customer service will, improve that and Cp might have a very decent competition. SFWOA has a huge potential, but its customer service that will get them where they want to go. Just think about it, SFWOA has a great market for kids and the elderly crowd.(Which CP doesn't) The marine side should be a huge draw for grandparents. Another thing that could help is wider pathways, and as always more trees! (i love trees)
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Edit: I know CP has a kid area and Live E. But the animal side especially being marine is a huge draw for the elderly with smaller kids. A lot of grandparents usually take grandchildren to places where both of them can enjoy the day. I see this a lot at the zoo.
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Sunday, April 13, 2003 12:57 PM
Wow, another SFWOA love thread..... ;)

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Sunday, April 13, 2003 1:23 PM
SFWoA definately has so much potential. It just doesn't use it enough. But you have just deal with whatever you think sucks at the park right now. SFWoA is only two years old, and it still has a lot to learn.
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Sunday, April 13, 2003 1:36 PM
I would have complained during my visit last August, but frankly, that park would need a lot more than a truckload of complaints to improve.
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Sunday, April 13, 2003 2:08 PM
Yea Sam, I worked X-Flight and Superman alot. In fact I distinctly remember some CoasterBuzz folk staying on a train for almost a half hour last October simply because there was no waiting in the station.

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Sunday, April 13, 2003 3:58 PM
I was a Coasterbuzz folk that stayed on for Frightfest 18 rides in a row on S:UE and about 6 or 7 on X-Flight. I can't complain about the park, SFWoA is my homepark and I just made a trip to get season passes. I took many pictures of the park and am very excited for the 2003 season! Can't wait to see how RW rides this year because it looks like they've really put a lot of work into it.
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Sunday, April 13, 2003 5:16 PM
Jeff's avatar Just to be clear, Six Flags (then still using the name Premier Parks) already owned the park for several years prior to the name change. Regardless, even growing up, it was never run particularly well. I thought that in my pre-enthusiast days.

In fact, when the flip was made to Six Flags Ohio, I figured they would be held to a higher standard. Having only been to SFGAm at the time I thought there was a higher standard. Subsequent trips to SFA and SFDL made me realize this wasn't the case.

Nobody here wants to hate the park, and I think most locals would agree they have some great rides. That makes it all the more frustrating that they can't get it together operationally.

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Sunday, April 13, 2003 5:33 PM
All this WoA talk got me going to their website to check on some stuff cause since I have a pass I plan on being there opening day - now I just went to the rides section to browse around the info I already know, and what did I come across? The link to "Batman" takes you to a page with a logo for "Batman: The Dark Knight", the spiel for B:DK, a picture of Batman: The Ride from somewhere, people on seats of a B&M invert (I assume BTR) and the actual *stats* for B:KF.

I realize this isn't a WoA specific problem, but it just irks me - can anyone answer as to *why* Six Flags can't seem to get the right pictures and the right descriptions with the right coasters and the right park? Is it really that hard?

And to all you WoA people, I *will* be going in this year with a totally open mind. It really got me excited to see X Flight when I went there to get my season pass and I just hope that the park lives up to my expectations this year. TR to come if deserving of it ...

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Sunday, April 13, 2003 6:44 PM
Zero-G, from my reading of Rideman's great site, I'm under the impression that the Bobs' problem is related to the trailered rolling stock. Have they addressed that?

But the thing about WoA this year is that I just don't see many people going there. I don't hate the park myself, I'm spoiled by GAm, sure, but I still love my B&M floorless coasters.

You have to look at it logically, though. What does WoA have to offer people this year? CP has the tallest coaster in the world. WoA has... Maybe a show or something. I'm not even sure.

And I don't want to make this a WoA vs. CP thread, but really, that's what it is about. I remember back when I was in Cleveland in 2000 (or around that time, when it was Six Flags Ohio) and I planned to go to SFO for a day. I hadn't been to SFO/Geauga/whatever, but I was convinced by my relatives, who had, that it just wouldn't be as fun. We went to CP. I've been there since, and enjoyed it, but it is true that the experience is totally different.

I'll be really, really surprised if the attendance goes up, or even stays level (barring a summer of 72 degrees and no rain), because enthusiasts will flock to CP, and so will the families that spend maybe a weekend every summer at an amusement park. If they only have a day, they'll go to the place that has the better track record.

Again, I don't hate WoA, but if you look at it logically, and CP really pimps up TTD, there's no compelling reason (other than location, the wildcard, being as though CP is further from Cleveland and its suburbs) for any single person to go to WoA over CP. Some will go to both, but I don't think that anyone will outright skip CP for WoA, at least this year.

Edited to say: Don't look at WoA like a 'zoo' either. My local zoo, one of the nicest in America (Brookfield Zoo, in a suburb of Chicago) is like $10 for an adult ticket. WoA is pushing $50. Does anyone want to look at animals THAT much?

And from my trip on a weekend in June last year, the answer is no, because I was one of about 4 people in the penguin, shark, etc. exhibits when I walked over there. The other three were my friends.

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Sunday, April 13, 2003 7:14 PM
Most of you have to realize that SFWoA has given in to the coaster war with CP, knowing they will never beat CP at their own game. However last year and this year is focused on family. The 3 new animal attractions, new family rides, and the waterpark expansion are aimed at the family. Not coaster buffs. This park will never be the coaster mecca the park up north is. SFWoA is perfectly fine with that. All this is coming from our meetings we have had in preseason this year at the park. SFInc knows it has a customer service problem, they admit it and are currently trying to fix it. I have been to the park 3 times so far for Leads meetings and orientations and all 3 the main priority they stressed was customer satisfaction. Trust me the park IS trying to fix it and they are trying very very hard. Now yes I do work in the park and will defend it but I know what everyong is complaining about and I worked my butt off in my area last summer (RWB and GRun) not make guests happy, and as far as I know my ride area did not have a single guest complaint against us(except for maybe the usual, they wont let my kid which is to short ride, complaint). This year I will work even harder. Also the park has spent a lot of money to create things that might be better for guests. (i.e. new easier to read hieght sticks, guest services hotline, etc...) The park is taking baby steps, we improved by lowering the complaints by 40% last season compared to 2001. We will work even harder this year to drop that another 40% and maybe 100% as our ultimate goal.

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Sunday, April 13, 2003 7:16 PM
Yes, Raging Wolf Bobs will be running with a "new" Gerstlauler train this summer. The park will now be running all three of their G trains, one on RWB, and two on Villain. I wouldn't be surprised to see a brand new train arriving this season as the Bob's second train.
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Sunday, April 13, 2003 7:35 PM
SFWOA would be fine if they'd just make it cheaper than CP. When you're charging price parity, i damn well expect performance parity and so does everyone else.
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Sunday, April 13, 2003 7:35 PM
Interesting Zero-G, you completely bash SFA, say you would never give the park a second chance (see the 12:50 4/12 note in this forum http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forum.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=30300) but yet, after a poor season that SFWoA had last yer you are begging people to give it a second chance. How hypocritical.
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Sunday, April 13, 2003 7:44 PM
Already mentioned coasterguts. Read above for his response.

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Sunday, April 13, 2003 8:34 PM
Call me insane, but I am one of those rare people who think SFWOA is better then SFGAm when I went in 2000 SFWOA rose to the status of my favorite SF park, now I havent been back since but I am going this summer again. Folks we all know this park isn't CP but honestly there is no way that SFWOA could have dipped so low that it is worse then SFDL, SFAW or the other bottom dwellers of the chain the rides are too good, and the wildlife side addition is a huge plus.

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Sunday, April 13, 2003 8:37 PM
Touchdown said:


I am one of those rare people who think SFWOA is better then SFGAm when I went in 2000

You have to tell me your dealer cause you are definitely smoking some ill trees!!

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Sunday, April 13, 2003 8:44 PM
Essentially SFGAm is my home park, I have been many times and everytime I go (except one time last summer) the lines are huge, people smoke in lines (even when you ask them to put them out), when you do report this problem to an employee you have a 50:50 chance of having them demand to put it out, the food is bad (but all SF parks have bad food), the rides dont always run at capacity even with a full queue, and I hardly am ever able to justify a full day at that park. When I went to SFWOA the only long line I had was with X Flight (in its first year of operation) and that ride definatly is worth a 2 hr wait even though I only waited 1.5 (only 15 roller coasters I have been on qualify for this high honor and before anyone asks Raging Bull is on that list). The animal shows were a welcome mid afternoon change of pace at SFWOA and I struck up some pleasent discussions with some employees during my visit.

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Summer 03-CP, HP, Canobie, SFNE, SFWOA, and SFGAm.

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