SFWoA Fastline SUCKS
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To sum it up.....
You know how every now and then handicapped people come up with exit passes, and steal your row, and you have to wait an extra train.
Imagine 1/2 to 3/4 of every other train on all of the coasters (except X-Flight---has special FL rows, and Batman---no FL at all here) being like this.
ARRRGGHHH. It SUCKS.
You know how every now and then handicapped people come up with exit passes, and steal your row, and you have to wait an extra train.
Imagine 1/2 to 3/4 of every other train on all of the coasters (except X-Flight---has special FL rows, and Batman---no FL at all here) being like this.
ARRRGGHHH. It SUCKS.
Although I'm sure this thread will wind up closed, I must say this sounds like a horrible system. I hope it's just in testing phase and that it stays FAR, FAR away from SFMM.
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Goose, did you have a recent run in with Fastline?
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Jes
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Jes
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On what ride(s) did people cut you?
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Jes
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Jes
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I was already to delete this thread because of the title, but what you describe is really not cool.
Can't say I didn't see that coming.
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Jeff
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Can't say I didn't see that coming.
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Jeff
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I think the fastlane thing does kind of bite but I don't mind one little bit when they have disabled people taking my seat for a ride. I don't consider it "stealing" my seat. I can wait another 3 or 4 minutes so a disabled person can have a thrill just like me.
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God please let SFKK get something this year. ANYTHING!!
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God please let SFKK get something this year. ANYTHING!!
Using FL at SFWOA on 6.29.01 my wife and I found it beneficial for us.
We used it twice for X and another coaster. When we left the park, we gave the remaining rides on the tickets away, so I can not comment on the operations of all of the coasters and how they are being attempted to be implemented.
On X, it was just one row which was set aside for FL people, and I witnessed when the FL did not have at least 4 in it, others in the normal line could use the unfilled seats on the FL one row at the end of the line. There is a small free-standing fence between the last row and the rest of the rows which FL people use. It is not permanent, and I watched people go around it when there was less than 4 in the FL row.
I also noted a few other things. This ride loads differently vs. the Paramount version in CA. This ride by the nature of it and what appears to be built-in differently security/use measures loads slower than PGAs.
I witnessed the 2nd train go online, and there were no FL lanes for that operation. The FL was still at the one row on the end.
S:UE does need work on their FL implementation.
My wife rode serial killer w/o FL since it was a near walk-on.
No need for one on Dipper either.
I have no idea of knowing if this is something SF is very interested in getting up and running, or is just a "testing the waters" process.
After talking with guest relations, it appears it was going to be $20 for FL possibly.
I think people need to realize certain thins with SFWOA. The park gets very packed on unknown days due in part to the large groups that get booked.
You can bet one thing. The groups are getting a very low overall price per person.
On any given day, there can be multiple large groups booked, making things even more crowded. I don't know if FL is going to work in some fashion, but we would be willing to pay for it in whatever form it shakes-out to be.
Only being able to travel during the summer with kids in school, a trip to SFWOA is a crap shoot on the crowd level. Unlike locals who have the ability to pick and choose to get ride after ride in over the course of the season.
If there is a way to make money, a company is going to find it. If it is overall beneficial to the bottom-line after the scale is weighed, it will be implemented. If it is not overall beneficial, it will be changed/scrapped.
We used it twice for X and another coaster. When we left the park, we gave the remaining rides on the tickets away, so I can not comment on the operations of all of the coasters and how they are being attempted to be implemented.
On X, it was just one row which was set aside for FL people, and I witnessed when the FL did not have at least 4 in it, others in the normal line could use the unfilled seats on the FL one row at the end of the line. There is a small free-standing fence between the last row and the rest of the rows which FL people use. It is not permanent, and I watched people go around it when there was less than 4 in the FL row.
I also noted a few other things. This ride loads differently vs. the Paramount version in CA. This ride by the nature of it and what appears to be built-in differently security/use measures loads slower than PGAs.
I witnessed the 2nd train go online, and there were no FL lanes for that operation. The FL was still at the one row on the end.
S:UE does need work on their FL implementation.
My wife rode serial killer w/o FL since it was a near walk-on.
No need for one on Dipper either.
I have no idea of knowing if this is something SF is very interested in getting up and running, or is just a "testing the waters" process.
After talking with guest relations, it appears it was going to be $20 for FL possibly.
I think people need to realize certain thins with SFWOA. The park gets very packed on unknown days due in part to the large groups that get booked.
You can bet one thing. The groups are getting a very low overall price per person.
On any given day, there can be multiple large groups booked, making things even more crowded. I don't know if FL is going to work in some fashion, but we would be willing to pay for it in whatever form it shakes-out to be.
Only being able to travel during the summer with kids in school, a trip to SFWOA is a crap shoot on the crowd level. Unlike locals who have the ability to pick and choose to get ride after ride in over the course of the season.
If there is a way to make money, a company is going to find it. If it is overall beneficial to the bottom-line after the scale is weighed, it will be implemented. If it is not overall beneficial, it will be changed/scrapped.
Joey Stewart said:
"I think the fastlane thing does kind of bite but I don't mind one little bit when they have disabled people taking my seat for a ride. I don't consider it "stealing" my seat. I can wait another 3 or 4 minutes so a disabled person can have a thrill just like me.
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God please let SFKK get something this year. ANYTHING!!"
Yes I don't mind either, but at SFWOA I had the same guy on the Villian, Superman, and Batman walk up and take the front seat off me each time. And he had different people with him, and how can they justify 3 others riders for Batman. This is out of the question.
To round a bad day off he got my seat on X-Flight, and then the thing broke down and never got back up again. I travelled 3,500 miles to ride that thing, and thanks to him and bad staff at SFWOA I missed out. They should not be allowed to walk up to the front seat, especially on new rides where people have waited 2 hours.
Only at SFWOA!
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Parks done 2001: BPB, PKI, SFWOA, CP, KW, HP, DP, Knoebels, Astroland, SFGAdv, SFNE, SFA, LC, Moreys Pier, PKD, PCW, BGW.
I have no problems with handicap people jumping the line, put it this way just be glad you have the legs to stand in the line for 2 hours. Ask someone in a wheelchair what they want to be able to do stand in line for 2 hours and not ride a coaster or to be confined to a chair for life. We have no right to complain when we are blessed with good health.
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Army rangers lead the way *** This post was edited by supermandl on 7/1/2001. ***
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Army rangers lead the way *** This post was edited by supermandl on 7/1/2001. ***
There where haddicapped people that were going on superman's ultimate escape. We were going on front seat and they took our spot. My dad was so mad.
ktrain said:
"After talking with guest relations, it appears it was going to be $20 for FL possibly."
$20!?!?!?!
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Actually I should reiterate the point of my original post. I think that the FL thing BITES for that particular person. He traveled all that way then a FL'er got his seat on XF then it broke down. Nobody can disagree that stinks. Now for me, I really wouldn't pay the extra cash to hop in line in front of other people. I have no problem waiting in line for my fair turn and if people bump me then oh well. I'm not gonna throw cash at SF just to make my day go a little bit easier. They already get enough of our money with drink and food prices don't ya' think?
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God please let SFKK get something this year. ANYTHING!!
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God please let SFKK get something this year. ANYTHING!!
# 1 coaster fan said:
"There where haddicapped people that were going on superman's ultimate escape. We were going on front seat and they took our spot. My dad was so mad."
Why would your father be mad at this? If he is not handicapped, than he should be grateful that he has the capability of standing in line and waiting. You never know if your time might come where you become disabled. A car wreck tomorrow could change your life forever. Be grateful for what you have.
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Chitowns 6 year old daughter says "Daddy, Dippin Dots are nasty!!" I must say that I agree!!
I guess I'm not sure on how this whole process works, can someone please clarify it for me.
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I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to keep riding roller coasters
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I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to keep riding roller coasters
One thing that they should work out the kinks on for Fast Pass or even handicap people accessing rides is this:
They should not be allowed to use the very front front seat of the very last seat in a train.
If they get the privlages of paying the extra bucks for a quick ride (referring to the Fast Pass), then they should at the very least, not have priority on the front or back seat, but just towards the middle so there is a trade-back on paying $10.00.
Sure, you can cut your wait time down to an absolute minimum so you can ride more often, but you're going to be stuck in the middle of the train if you want to ride it!!
As for the handicapp people, they also should not be allowed in the very front front. I never saw a handicapp person (and their rider) ride anywhere else except the very front. I am not sure how many chances they are allowed to ride the same ride per day with that special access... but if (and a strong IF) they are allowed to ride it ONCE and only once w/out waiting like the rest of us, then they I can see being permitted the very front seat (or back).
But if it's more than once per day... forget it. Give them the middle!!
(BTW: I'm not predjudice against the Fast Pass or handicapp people, but please... we waited long enough to ride these rides, and 5 extra minutes waiting is 5 extra minutes I could have put to use)
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The Great Escape... Soon to become Six Flags Adirondack Escape!!!
They should not be allowed to use the very front front seat of the very last seat in a train.
If they get the privlages of paying the extra bucks for a quick ride (referring to the Fast Pass), then they should at the very least, not have priority on the front or back seat, but just towards the middle so there is a trade-back on paying $10.00.
Sure, you can cut your wait time down to an absolute minimum so you can ride more often, but you're going to be stuck in the middle of the train if you want to ride it!!
As for the handicapp people, they also should not be allowed in the very front front. I never saw a handicapp person (and their rider) ride anywhere else except the very front. I am not sure how many chances they are allowed to ride the same ride per day with that special access... but if (and a strong IF) they are allowed to ride it ONCE and only once w/out waiting like the rest of us, then they I can see being permitted the very front seat (or back).
But if it's more than once per day... forget it. Give them the middle!!
(BTW: I'm not predjudice against the Fast Pass or handicapp people, but please... we waited long enough to ride these rides, and 5 extra minutes waiting is 5 extra minutes I could have put to use)
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The Great Escape... Soon to become Six Flags Adirondack Escape!!!
It seems to me that Six Flags as a chain is experimenting with several FastLane systems to see what works best.
At SFA and SFGAdv, at least when I was at those parks, the passes were free, and gave you specific times to go to the ride. Then you got on the ride in a designated row. This actually seemed to work pretty well, except that sometimes a train would dispatch with an empty FastLane row, or sometimes people on the normal side of the loading platform would ignore the "reserved for FastLane" signs and try hopping in those rows anyway.
But if properly enforced, this system seemed to work pretty well, and I would have no complaints with it. It doesn't really impact non-FastLane riders (one middle row cut off, big deal), and lets FastLane riders get on quicker, but only if they're willing to accept a middle row. Seems like a good compromise.
Now, I've HEARD that Medusa at SFGAdv was running without reserved rows, with the FastLane and regular riders competing for rows, leading to disaster, but I didn't witness that myself.
SFWoA is apparently trying a different system. No reserved times, but instead you PAY for that "exit ramp" privilege. I haven't witnessed this system in action, but hope to be there tomorrow. I DO think that the FastLane should still only be available in designated rows even in this system, as is apparently being done on X-Flight.
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*** This post was edited by GregLeg on 7/1/2001. ***
At SFA and SFGAdv, at least when I was at those parks, the passes were free, and gave you specific times to go to the ride. Then you got on the ride in a designated row. This actually seemed to work pretty well, except that sometimes a train would dispatch with an empty FastLane row, or sometimes people on the normal side of the loading platform would ignore the "reserved for FastLane" signs and try hopping in those rows anyway.
But if properly enforced, this system seemed to work pretty well, and I would have no complaints with it. It doesn't really impact non-FastLane riders (one middle row cut off, big deal), and lets FastLane riders get on quicker, but only if they're willing to accept a middle row. Seems like a good compromise.
Now, I've HEARD that Medusa at SFGAdv was running without reserved rows, with the FastLane and regular riders competing for rows, leading to disaster, but I didn't witness that myself.
SFWoA is apparently trying a different system. No reserved times, but instead you PAY for that "exit ramp" privilege. I haven't witnessed this system in action, but hope to be there tomorrow. I DO think that the FastLane should still only be available in designated rows even in this system, as is apparently being done on X-Flight.
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--Greg
http://www.pobox.com/~gregleg/
*** This post was edited by GregLeg on 7/1/2001. ***
I don't know what it's like on weekends but,when i went to SFgadv on Wednesday the fastlane pass seating was being filled up by non pass holders if there weren't any Pass holders there to take the seats.In fact,i was directed to a pass seat on the Chiller and i wasn't a pass holder.So far every time i have been to Sfgadv i have barely seen FP used but,i also avoid going on weekends as much as possible.As long as they limit the amount given out each day(i think the limit is 2,000 at sfgadv) and,keep it free,i think they could make this work pretty good.I am sorry they don't use the system the same way at all SF parks.Just like with anything else,it will take time to work all the bugs out and see what works best.Gregleg is also correct when he says the fp people have to take middle seats,i also agree this is the fairest way to do this if they are going to impose this system at all SF parks.I won't use FP unless i am extremely pressed for time when i visit the park.I have heard more people praise the FP system at Sfgadv then complain about it.
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