SFGAM Superman not clone...exactly

So they won't be using the new upright loading system? That might affect the track length.

Peabody said:
It's not B&M that does that, it's the parks. B&M builds/designs what the park pays for. B&M has publically stated that they wish they could produce more intense rides.

Do you think I haven't heard the park's decisions quote before? It makes sense that the parks may ask for a less intense pretzel loop in this case, and this case being a rarity, but it amazes me that the parks ONLY ask B&M to tone down their rides when Intamin and even Vekoma build mind boggling intense rides. G-tec didn't exactly tone down the second helix of Titan and Goliath and Titan with that sustained g-force are a heck of a lot more intense than a pretzel loop.

You must be able to see what I'm getting at...I'm not trying to make you feel that your opinion is less important, nor am I trying to sway you towards my opinion, but I do have the right to be somewhat curious as to why B&M is consistently less intense then it's major competitors.

Also, I missed that about B&M publically stating they wanted to construct more intense rides, where can I find that?

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the load system for this ride will be the same as all B&M flyers. the only difference is there will be only one station instead of two. if it was the dual station that was throwing the number off then SFGA's (both of them) would be shorter than SFOG's. I'm hopeful for an extra element somewhere on the ride, but I suspect that its just a case of the park beefing up the number to make the ride look more impressive.

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I would imagine the reason that B&M are often contacted to do "family" coasters (which is ridiculous to say in the first place) is because they have proven they can do it. In college, I got stuck playing baritone saxophone all the time-not because I wanted to, simply because I had proven I could do it. It's probably not an easy thing to engineer a steel looping coaster as smooth as B:KF or Kumba, still smooth after 10 years of operation. If I were purchasing rides for a major chain, I'd go with proven manufacturers, and if I wanted an exciting ride that could be handled by everyone in a family, I'd go to B&M. What's so terrible about that?

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SFGAM Die Hard: If I remember correctly, is was in a IAAPA interview. Someone asked their response to criticism over rides being forceless. They said they build what they are paid to, and they wish they could go more intense.

I wouldn't be surprised if the bottom of the SFOG loop was more forcefull than they intended. It is REALLY strong!

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The Shy One said:
Remembet the Titan debate?
If 812 ft. doesn't make a ride a non-clone, 40 ft. sure as hell ain't going to make any difference.

Umm, Titan and Goliath are hella similar, but I dont think anyone would still call them clones.

Then again, I should expect anything from enthusi-asses...

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redman822 said:

And that person is...? And will he share with us scans of the rides so that we can judge for ourselves?

Badnitrus. Probably not b/c that's not his info to give out.

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Hey, this might just be me, but arn't the pretzel loops on the *clones* going to be increased in size? (for a lower intensity), or are they using trims?

The one at Gadv's look bigger than the one at sfog but it is stated as 78' tall as well. I don't really care about the G-forces you want G-forces go to gasm or B:TR. Some of yall act like females complaining about the altered PL, like its actually going to mess the ride up. Its not your park or coaster so you get what you get. The intensity won't be too different anyway, if it is than oh well we have a trench at the bottom of the loop to be happy with, and 12 other coasters that some other parks just wish to have at their park

Teenage Ninja said:
How many times do we have to go over this. The GP is who pays for new rides not enthusiasts. If your new I'm sorry, but I doubt it will make it that much less intense, and if it wasn't for the GP you wouldn't have 1/3 of what you have now.
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I know that rides are built to please the GP, that is why I stated that it is a shame that yet another coaster has to be altered to make the GP enjoy the ride. I also know that the GP makes up 99% of a park's attendance which results in the construction of coasters with not as many forces as enthusiasts would like them to have, this also results in the installation of trims. What I was trying to get at was that for once I would like a coaster to be built with some good forces such as Kumba(which still is a crowd-pleaser) and to not have that coaster altered and slowed down with trims. But like others have said it is not enthusiasts who parks cater to. Sorry about my outburst of wishful thinking.

Um......It's a clone.

Hah

I have nothing to say.

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How many trains do the other B & M flying coasters run??? Is the one at SFGAM only going to run two instead of three??? If that is the case it will make lines longer and reduce capacity on the ride.

SFGAm's ride will run two trains. If the crews are fast enough, though (and I would have no reason to believe they won't be), capacity will be similar, if not identical to Georgia's ride.

-Nate

And remember it will be 8 rows not 7. So that won't make it thay bad.

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A 2-train operation on a coaster 2800ft long can pull the same capacity as one with 3-trains. 3 trains on a coaster this length only results in stacking.

Look at Batman and Iron Wolf. Both run 2-trains. Both coasters are near the same length. Do you think 3 trains would really benefit?

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Considering the station design and how EASY these things are to load, two trains will handle max capacity....but then again, what happens when one train needs maintenance...;)

Even with *reduced intensity*, you'll be very pleased. That pretzel loop is the strongest force I've felt on ANY Beemer, by FAR....:)

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Are the trains easy enough to load without stacking, even with 8 rows and the tilting up?

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AA, I thought they were *thisclose* to a B&M invert in terms of load/unload....the tilting onSFoG's is in the station, and I fail to see how unnecessarily complicating that by trying to do it on the lift is an *improvement*....that's a bug just waiting to pupate...(can't wait for Stephanie to see that one, LOL)...;)