SFA Fright Fest 10-13

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Sunday, October 13, 2002 8:18 PM
Since I missed most of the summer due to illness, Fright Fest has been my time to get a lot of riding in. Due to the previous night being canceled because of rain, I decided to make a Saturday of it. With a 30% chance of rain being predicted, I figured it would keep people away again. When I arrived the parking lot was about half-full. Taking my usual first ride on Roar, I preceeded down to Gotham City to see a closed Joker’s Jinx again. Sadly, there were no trains either, and a piece of track in the brake run was gone also. Oh well, there’s always next year.

I next took a ride on Ride of Steel in the front row. I always love the front row, as it feels like your attached to a missle. It’s also not often that the front row has such a short wait. I then proceeded to Batwing for a fairly short wait with one train. Deciding to check into the “supposed” track and supports for next year, I walk towards the Southwest Territory and rode Two Face in the back seat. I see nothing, except for Jim Fisher who also comes up empty on his ride in the same seat. I took a ride on Wild One while over there, and the helix just about killed me today, even with the trim on. I dropped in on Tower of Doom too.

Heading back towards upper Gotham City I take a couple more rides on Ride of Steel and then the Krypton Comet (Chance Chaos), which had all the seats working for once. Going back towards upper Gotham City, I run into Sam Marks and Bob from Coaster Zombies. We decide to go see the magic show (my 2nd time). I was shocked to see the line going back to Heritage House (restaurant). The whole theatre filled up including people standing all around. Uh-oh, it’s getting crowded.

After saying good-bye to Sam and Bob, it was time for an infrequent ride on Iron Eagle (Zamperla Rotoshaker). If you ever thought “What would it be like if all the blood ran out of the lower half of my body?”, this is the ride for you.

The rest of the evening was followed by nighttime rides on all the coasters, except for Mind Eraser and Two Face. For some crazy reason I decided to ride Batwing at night. The line was fairly long, and only one train was running, with a 2nd empty train cycling. But, to the parks credit, they started loading the 2nd train while I was in line. I had barely settled into my seat when an attendant buckled my harness and slammed the lapbar down. Way to go Six Flags America! Dispatch times were also very good on Ride of Steel tonight. The last thing I did was to see the Wolfbane show. If you’ve seen the Zambora show in years past, this is the same concept. I’ll leave it at that.
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Monday, October 14, 2002 8:22 PM
I can't wait to go to SFMM on Saturday, my first fright event of any kind! This is getting me even more pumped!

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Tuesday, October 15, 2002 7:32 AM

I'm going to SFA a week from saturday & I'll look around & see if I can find any signs of track in the park,there's a possibility that it may have been moved already though and if I do find out anything I probably won't post it,at least not here because bo one believes my information here on the boards at all.

Chances are they aren't getting jack squat as are the other 35 parks in the chain that SF has decided to neglect in 2003, andI hope they go out of business as a result.

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Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:25 AM

BATWING FAN SFA - What's blue and white and will "Shock" you in 2003?

p.s. Your park isn't 'neglected' by any means.

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Tuesday, October 15, 2002 12:32 PM
FACT: A park gains 9% in attendance WITHOUT adding a major attraction.
QUESTION: Why add anything if you're still bringing in crowds?

What SFA would be *better* off in adding is more stuff to the water park, more bathrooms in the park, more boats on Typhoon SeaCoaster, less water on the JJ platform, and figuring how to run at least two trains on Batwing. Right now, another coaster is not needed.

And Chris, while Shockwave would fit *perfectly* into this park, we all know it just "aint gonna happen".

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Tuesday, October 15, 2002 12:41 PM

Not the whole thing there, jeremy....remember, half of SW is headed to Houston...;).

With the wood AND the steel, safe to say SFA is NOT neglected....and that Ray Charles could do a better job of filling the SeaCoaster to capacity....BatWing, of course, needs too much staff to run BOTH sides, and we all know bats can't FLY with opnly ONE wing...;)

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Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:30 PM

2Hostyl said:
FACT: A park gains 9% in attendance WITHOUT adding a major attraction.
QUESTION: Why add anything if you're still bringing in crowds?

What SFA would be *better* off in adding is more stuff to the water park, more bathrooms in the park, more boats on Typhoon SeaCoaster, less water on the JJ platform, and figuring how to run at least two trains on Batwing. Right now, another coaster is not needed.

And Chris, while Shockwave would fit *perfectly* into this park, we all know it just "aint gonna happen".

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"To get inside this head of mine, would take a monkey-wrench, and a lot of wine" Res How I Do



If I follow your logic, then a 9% increase attendance means a 9% increase in profits as well. Not necessarily so. An attendance increase does not necessarily mean a park is making money which is the goal of the business game (to make money). If I follow the logic of a 9% increase negates the necessity of new attractions at this park then Six Flags should have received a new attraction this season after they lost millions last season.

I do however agree with your other points. The water park is overdue for a upgrade and I really think this is the reason why SFA is seeing a 9% increase this season. We had a hot, dry summer. With alot of Maryland on water restrictions people were looking for ways to cool off. Hopefully guest that had a bad experience last year gave the park a second shot this season and saw how much the park has approved over the past couple of seasons customer service wise. I think the waterpark at SFA is the biggest draw and have even heard a RUMOUR (that since has been squashed by other park personnel) SFA is going to turn the water park into a Hurricane Harbor so SF can make money off of it.

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Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:10 PM
All I ask for Christmas is a Master Blaster waterslide (or two) for the waterpark.
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Tuesday, October 15, 2002 7:20 PM

All I ask for is a new non vekoma coaster,I even sent an email to them today to give them a piece of my mind about it,hopefully they'll respond but of course I doubt they'll say anything until an announcement is made.

About the track sighting last week,there may be good reason why those who recently visited the park couldn't see anything in the location originally specified. it may very well be that the park has already moved the track out of sight from that general area,after all the original report was posted a week earlier and I had debated for quite a while on wether or not to post it here in the first place because I figured rightly so that no one here would believe me and there are hundreds of places on the property where they can hide track especially if it's for a wild mouse.

Rollergator,SFA has been neglected in my opinion,as I've said so many times if SF cares about the park on the scale of let's say SFMM or SFGRADV then where the heck are SFA's B&M's at? they keep giving us the same mediocre quality (cough vekoma cough) steel coasters that we got as Adventure world,the only exceptions are S:ROS and maybe JJ,then again I don't think JJ is of high quality if they can't run it below a specified temperature and I'm not counting the two woodies because they are of great quality.

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Wednesday, October 16, 2002 12:00 PM
BFS, why do you have to have a B&M anything? Does Kings Dominion have a B&M? No. Does King's Island have a B&M? No. What's wrong with Two Face? It's a Vekoma ride and it works for me and every other enthusiast I know. Mind Eraser, while not being the greatest ride, still gets long lines in the summer. You think SFA has been neglected? Give me a break! Shall we have a look at history?
95 Mind Eraser
96 Tower of Doom
97 Typhoon Seacoaster/Crocodile Cal's Outback Beach House
98 Roar
99 Joker's Jinx/Two Face the Flip Side/ Rodeo/Alpine Bobs
00 Superman Ride of Steel/Chaos/Octopus
01 Batwing/Skycoaster

BFS you seem to have no patience. The article from the Washington Post about the expansion said it would take 10 years, not four.

Sure, it's upsetting that Joker's Jinx is closed, but if you carefully read your park map, it says that certain attractions may be closed (including new ones). AND, we're all making assumptions about it not running well in cold weather.


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Friday, October 18, 2002 6:02 AM

I have never been to SFA but IMO, there is more than one way to show neglect to a park. Based on what I have heard, SFA is not very clean. From what people say on Coasterbuzz, they frequently have rides closed or frequently run only one car, indicating mechanical issues. The park may not be neglected as far as coasters are concerned but for routine upkeep and maintenance, I'd say the park is neglecting something. Granted, this is all hearsay until I actually see it for myself but if the average opinion favors something, that should be taken into consideration when making a decision.

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Friday, October 18, 2002 6:05 AM
I strongly disagree w/ you vipper, sfa retracked wild one last year and is running better than ever. It really is not that dirty, and why don't you get to the park and then judge it, ok?
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Friday, October 18, 2002 6:44 AM

First of all, you mentioned only one ride. It is my understanding that JJ is closed frequently, along with Batwing.

Second of all, if a bunch of your friends claim that a movie is terrible, wouldn't that sort of reduce your eagerness to see the movie? The same thing applies here. All of my friends who have been to SFA tell me that the park is dirty and not kept up too well. Plus, I have seen people on Coasterbuzz claim the same thing about the park's cleanliness, or lack thereof. SFA may be clean to some people but when compared to places like Hershey or Busch, it needs a lot of work from what I hear. Cleanliness is VERY important to a quality park. I do know that when it was Wild World and Adventure world that it was rather dirty. That was my own observation. Perhaps that reputation is still lingering over SFA or something. But, I am sure if their was much of an improvement, it would be acknowledged more than it is. Look at this webpage, for it contains info that I find very useful in making a decision:

http://www.epinions.com/trvl-Family_Travel-Theme_Parks-All-Six_Flags_America/display_~reviews

As a result, my desire to go to SFA has been somewhat reduced by the negative reviews I have heard. I still want to go to see it for myself but because of the bad things I have heard, I will set my expectations very low, or I might not have any at all. I would love to be proven wrong, as Hershey Park gets old after a while.

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Friday, October 18, 2002 8:53 AM

coasters5 said:
I strongly disagree w/ you vipper, sfa retracked wild one last year and is running better than ever. It really is not that dirty, and why don't you get to the park and then judge it, ok?

Actually, I don't think Viper was judging the park. He was just stating what he was reading, everything he talks about is specifically mentioned in the newsgroups. Do a search on "SFA and Roller Coaster" on Google, read the posts about SFA between 1999 and 2001. From what I have read and what I have seen, SFA has made substantial improvements this year.

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Friday, October 18, 2002 9:15 AM

I still want to go to see it for myself but because of the bad things I have heard, I will set my expectations very low, or I might not have any at all. I would love to be proven wrong, as Hershey Park gets old after a while.

*** This post was edited by Vipper on 10/18/2002. ***



Viper

I encourage you to go to the park, I read the Epinions comments and analyzed them. The park is far better than it was in the past. Even I did what you did, I read all of the comments in the various boards and newsgroups, heard all of the negative publicity. It really turned my stomach and almost was persuaded enough not to purchase a season pass. I went ahead and purchased the season pass. Being my home park and own my way to see my parents, I stopped at least two dozen times this summer and had a great time. I'm not going to say I had a perfect visit each time, the park certainly lacks in some areas, food is one, attentive ride ops are another. But the rumour about the park being dirty is a myth.

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Friday, October 18, 2002 9:39 AM

i love SFA and yes the park is a little dirty,but look what type of area the park is in,and it has improved.

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Friday, October 18, 2002 11:24 AM
IMO, SFA is one of the best in the chain. Of the 3 times I've been there this season, EVERY attraction but the Octopus was open and EVERY train was operating on the coasters with exception of 2 on Batwing. (I don't think the 3rd has ever moved) JJ was running with quick dispatch times as was every other major attraction. This park needs more attention to the basic layout and better planning for such things as bathrooms. I would rather they put focus on items such as this instead of another attraction. Other than that, this park is very nice. Sorry to hear about JJ being closed for you but at least you has a good time otherwise. It probably does has something to do with the cold being that Chiller just vallied last Monday for the first time since the early Spring. I'm sure they are also less staffed than over the summer when I was there.
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Friday, October 18, 2002 4:10 PM

RTneedsTLC said:
Of the 3 times I've been there this season, EVERY attraction but the Octopus was open and EVERY train was operating on the coasters with exception of 2 on Batwing. (I don't think the 3rd has ever moved)

I think the Octopus was actually down more than it was up this year. Believe it or not, I have seen Batwing run three trains this summer. As far as staffing goes, I saw a big difference in staff from Mid-August till the park closed the weekend after Labor day. They lost a lot of staff to back to school and college.

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Saturday, October 19, 2002 7:14 PM

So far every time I've gone octopus was always up & running with the only exception being on my last trip in late august,it's a fun little ride but some times the op's take their sweet time loading & checking it.

As for Batwing I have yet to see that thing run all three trains,heck I'm lucky if it's running two trains or even running at all,I'd pay money to see it running all three trains,that is if I had any to spare.

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Sunday, October 20, 2002 10:01 AM
Vipper, a lot of what you've heard is hearsay. The park never runs one train on anything except for Two Face (obviously), and sometimes Batwing. They added a ton of trashcans this year also. Joker's Jinx is always running, except for Frightfest (unfortunately). Again, read any park map and it says that any attraction may be closed (including new ones) due to ride maintenance or inclement weather. The only time I saw the park really dirty this year is when they handed out samples of those stupid Corn Nuts bags (which aren't very good). They made a big mess. Let's put it this way, I bought a camera this year. I went to Photographyreview.com (or something like that). For every camera reviewed no one could seem to make up their damn mind if it was the greatest thing since sliced cheese, or it was their worst investment ever. Guess what? I bit the bullet, bought a camera (Olympus Zoom 80), and I'm very happy with the results.Sure, your friends may say a movie is horrible, and you can believe them, but they're not you now, are they? I had read all kinds of reviews about Astroworld saying it stunk. Guess what? The Coaster Zombies visited the park and loved it. What I'm trying to say is, get off your butt, and visit Six Flags America for yourself. THEN make up your mind. Going in with a negative attitude can lead to a negative experience.
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If you want expensive rides, you're going to pay for them, in one way or another.

*** This post was edited by Intamin Fan on 10/20/2002. ***

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