SF Worlds of Adventure may be in trouble.

If they get their proposed wild life attractions up & going for 2003 & 2004........

...ALONG with strong advertisement of that (and not just the rides with wild-life stuff in the corner), then the park will get a little more attention with others... I think the park will hold stronger & stronger.

After the hyper coaster goes in... if they spend the following years adding smaller attractions & improving the overall park, then it will turn out to be a true premiere park to visit.

........................although, I still think it's a fantastic park and have yet to see it in its bad state many of you claim it to be.

The hyper for 2003 is a done deal...there's no need to hint. All we're waiting for is an official announcement....right?

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I don't really buy the growing pains argument. Yes, they doubled the park's size and added the new rides, but Geauga Lake has had the same owners since 1995, correct? It has been seven years since Funtime sold out, the dust has settled. The infrastructure wasn't made for Geauga Lake to be a major theme park, being the actual park's layout and ultilites, and the same the roads outside the park.

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*** This post was edited by bigkirby on 7/11/2002. ***

The hyper is the last piece of the coaster puzzle SFWoA needs to round out its arsenal of thrill machines. We are going to get it next year and after that the park needs to slow down on adding the speed demons.

I would like the park to take a look at what it already has and enhance it even further. Add more landcaping to the Wild Rides side while adding more "ambiance" to that side as well.

A few flat rides (new thrillers, not the "brought in from another Six Flags property" type) that haven't been seen in parks around here would also generate some interest (like Psyclone and Shockwave at PCW - both awesome Mondial creations).

And stop looking at what the park in Sandusky is doing and concentrate on your own potential in bringing in guests.

On a side note - I also think that we, as enthusiasts and fans of the parks, need to stop comparing SFWoA to CP (or any other parks for that matter) and look at each park individually for what they offer.

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When I went I didn't find there to be any theme or atmosphere.

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I have to disagree.... I though areas were very well themed. Superman was themed well. The whole Coyote Creek is nicely themed. This was my first time to the park and i thought it wasnt bad at all. It was hot and there were more than enough benches and trees for shading. I like how The Villian queue is shaded. I love how B:DK is shaded. I burn very easy and i did not get burned at all the "Three" days i was there. Yep thats right. Three. I was there this past Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. The park was crowded all three days. I waited in line every time we ate for at least 15 minutes to a half hour. Bathrooms were nasty. Very much expected. Thats a lot of people going through those bathrooms every minute of every day. Litter problems....Nope. There was almost no litter all three days where you walk. Now where you cant walk behind gates and fences and the such. Yes a hell of a lot of litter. Cobwebs on the queue and walkways and colums of B:DK. You think that someone would pay attention to this. Oh well. Read my TR to hear everything. And you people that get walk-ons must be at a different park then me. No walkons nothing. Oh the flat rides but they dont count. Even dodge-ems was a 20 minute wait. The park was packed. I didnt care for all the security guards standing around and letting everyone swear. This is a family park afterall..As a whole...We loved it. Wont be back until frightfest. Then not until the hyper next year.

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Trees? Where? (referring to the old Geauga Lake side)

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SFWOA not themed? Dude, That 50's area is great, The villain is in a western section, The Seaworld side is kinda tropical.

As for the post about being in trouble? I've only seen PKI once really busy but I don't go on hollidays or weekends. If Attendance is declining then maybe they will realize that making people wait a hour when they could only wait 30 minutes might help peoples opinions. Im talking bout one train operation on BKF and Villain when they have two or three trains.

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I wouldn't call anything at a SF park a done deal till it's announced. SFKK and some other SF parks have not put in what was hinted in several instances even if it was approved.

If Im not misstaken the whole SFWOA deal except for teh Wildlife was going to originally go to SFKK till they looked at the markets.

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coasterpunk said:
Jeff are you hinting at the 2003 CP attraction?

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I think jeff was talking about the 2 hypers and 1 giga coaster that CP has.

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Okay SFWoA isn't the cleanest or friendliest park in the world, I will say that. But as bad as that may sound, I just realized how much I really enjoy the park. I mean think about it, if everyone hates it so much, why do we keep coming back to it? Sure it isn't the best park now, but as one of the bird trainers told me, "This place is going to be awesome in 5 years." Think about it. Think about the improvements from this year to last year. The park is trying. And so what if the park is having troubles now?! What park has had no troubles in the past? So everyone, lets stop bickering about it and just enjoy the park!!!!

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Six Flags WoA is building everything at once. And arn't taking time to build anything. Like X-Flight. I didn't take them that long to build it but it opened May 26th. If they have new coasters coming they should take the time to build them and build them right. I bet The Villian was gonna be a all wooden ride at first but since they were building 3 coasters in one year they made the supports out of steel. Maybe im wrong. But im not critisizing (don't know how to spell that word) The Villian is a great ride. Six Flags should not try to build all there coasters at once. As for that im not returning to SF WoA untill they get the Hyper in there, or that might be poorly built too.

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There are trees along games row, in the western village area and around the main gate area. The rough spots are near SUE, near BKF, along the midway overlooking Serial Thriller and most of the water park. On the marine side it is quite bad in the area between the buffet and whale stadium, in the happy harbor, the new orleans nights area, and around the shark/sim ride area. Simply put there are good and bad places to be when you're looking to stay away from the sun.

The company now known as Six Flags Inc in my opinon has no clear vision or direction at this point. They preach good service and quality product to the management and then cut the budgets by 25% or more at least twice a season (even when the parks turn profits). They talk about guest experience but their actions tell the staff that the bottom dollar is more important. When GLP was flagged the company came in and forced price raises in every department to make them closer to the other summer venues in the area. That was NOT a decision made by the park management.

I think there is enough in the region to create a draw for two major parks like CP and WOA (if SF and WOA gets their acts together). Kennywood isn't a major draw to anyone other than coaster nuts (like us) and the western PA folk. PKI is really in another region. I would think that if SFWOA gets going then most people in northen ohio, southern MI and western PA and NY owuld make a trip to one or both per season. But as far as the park making the big step to the level of CP, remember that CP made wise decisions from the mid 80's though today to get to the point where it is now. In 89 when the magnum was built the park wasn't one of the elite. It wasn't until all of the aspects of the park came together in the 90's did CP gain the national respect. So for a tiny park like GLP to make the step to national prominance would take at least 15 to 20 years.

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WiCkEd FoRcE said:
"Six Flags should not try to build all there coasters at once."

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If you are referring to the 2000 conversion of GL to SFO, you have to realize that Geauga Lake really didn't have much to begin with. With CP building the biggest damn roller coaster in the world at the time, SF knew that in order to bring people to their park was to add the four coasters.

Charles Nungester, yes, I've heard that at least BKF was supposed to go to SFKK but was moved here.

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There are trees all through Coyote Creek. Everything right there is themed western. There are no trees over by Superman at all. Or by X-Flight. Trees dont grow over night though either. We have to give them some time to mature. Not saying they will, but they got young saplings all over the place. Six Flags is Corporate, it will never look like Kennywood tree wise. Thats all Kennywood is.

They could/should transplant trees from Seaworld/Raging Wolf Bobs.

If they added benches, trees, and cleaned up the areas that needed cleaning (bathrooms) and actually treated me like a guest and not a dollar figure, that would be all that is needed to bring me back, not another roller coaster. That is all I am asking for. someone please pass that on to management.

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Last time I checked, Kennywood was corporate.

With over 11 million people in Ohio, we can support another mega park. :) Trust me. :) I think Six Flags should've started from scratch near Columbus. Although PKI is 1 - 1 1/2 away from there, people from Columbus would still rather travel 5 minutes to Six Flags Columbus.

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coastermad said:
A couple of weeks ago I visited the park on a perfectly sunny thursday afternoon and found the park practically empty. All coasters were walk ons with no waits. I asked a gal loading folks into the Villain what was up. She just chuckled and said, "The park sucks." A week later I heard rumor the park had just laid off 1/3 of their workers.
Six Flags' plan dump major capitol into Geauga Lake turning it it into a maga park competitor in Ohio, I think this plan is failing. This could all collapse in on itself. Sure they built a few new coasters, but that doesn't suddenly make it a great park. There are hardly any trees, or drinking fountains, and not much of an atmosphere. It still is just a small park trying to be big.
And who are they kidding taking on Cedar Point? Maybe if Universal's Islands of Adventure were built next door, Cedar Fair would have something to be concerned about. Kings Island had the right idea adding more themed rides, something Cedar Fair doesn't have. But I don't think Six Flags can be that creative. They are building bridges spanning across the lake to join the newly acquired Sea World park to the main park, but with this recent fatal, heat stroke victim, pending law suit with someone being hit on the Villain, and now lay offs, Six Flags may loose this battle, and a ton of money.

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Looks like we got ourselves another Cedar Point Fanboy. You wanna know the one thing that Six Flags has over Cedar Point???? MONEY!!!! There owned by a very good company and they will get money dumped into them. And what six flags park do you know that has trees???Who cares about trees when theres The Villain, and the Big Dipper, Best airtime ever!.

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Look don't even start on the fanboy stuff - first off wasn't there a thread about quoting an entire post? Secondly, you'll notice that CP's name comes up rarely in this discussion - we're all talkin SFWoA here alright? Why the second someone says anything bad about a SF park are they labelled a CP fanboy?

And money is not something SF has over CP. We all have seen the recent goings-on with Six Flags. Cedar Fair has had none of this - they're just humming along quite nicely. But thats not the issue ...

Coasters are great yes, but they don't make a park. Flat rides, trees, customer service, cleanliness, this is what makes a park. I'm one of the types that totally skips everything in a park - I go from coaster line to coaster line - but I still appreciate shade and trees - they make it feel like I'm in an amusement park, not at a roller coaster that was built at a highway rest area. And I've never been there, so the best I can see is rcdb.com, but it appears to me that both SFNE and SFMM have lots of trees in them.

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Woah, Intamin. Big quote section there.

Are we any closer to figuring out what CP's doing for 2003????

By the way, could someone please tell me where is Nagashima spaland located?? I can't read Japanese (the official park site) and most sites indicate that it's located in Mie, Japan. When I do a Mapquest query on Mie Japan, I get three or four different locations. I so confused.

Sorry for the deviation in topic here.