SF ride rotation?


Coaster File said:
Sarejvo Bobsleds at Sfmm now La Vibora at Sfot.

Look up...

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Am I really that shy?

I wish X-Flight would get moved... It's okay, I just wish WoA would've waited a year and built a B&M version inbetween RWB and BKF, which was originally planned. It was to be named Batwing, and be themed like BTR, but only be 100 or so feet tall.

As for ride rotation, what happened with SFoG's Viper, i forget if that went anywhere. Shockwave should be sent far, far away, unless it is re-furbished with lap bars.

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I wonder if a ride with bad capacity (i.e. DejaVu at SFGam) would be better at a smaller park? To be honest, I dont think I would get a ride on that thing for the next 5 years, I wouldn't mind it ending up at a different park.

I-Nar said:


But then again, there's another ride that's currently sitting, lonely in a parking lot at a certain park up here... You know, the one that isn't Superman: Ultimate Flight? :)


...does it come with a free frogurt?

--Maddie
*** This post was edited by Chernabog 4/23/2003 11:00:07 PM ***

Flashback isn't goinganywhere! Its still on the web site

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Who ever said coasters were dangerous?

Guys youre doing all the logical one, but you forget this is Six Flags, I predict that a year after they "save the Wizzer" they ship it to some park far far away and instead SFGAm gets Viper from SFGAdv ;);););)

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Summer 03-CP, HP, Canobie, SFNE, SFWOA, and SFGAm.


Patrick K said:
I wonder if a ride with bad capacity (i.e. DejaVu at SFGam) would be better at a smaller park?

Don't think of it as one ride with low capacity. There is a reason they added V2 the same year. Don't think of them as 2 rides with low capacity, but one ride with high capacity.

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Ah what the hell.....Magnum What?

S:ROS blew me away

Sure, but that only works if guests only ride one or the other. If a guest comes to the park and rides both V2 and Deja Vu, then the "one ride with high capacity" theory just doesn't work. Essentially, that's the same as each guest who rides a high-capacity ride (like Raging Bull) suddently becoming cloned when they enter the queue so that the line is twice as long.

-Nate

You are thinking about capacity wrong. Think of it as total park capacity, not the capacity of a single ride.

The people in line for V2 are keeping people out of line for Viper, the people in line for Deja Vu are keeping people out of Bull's line, etc etc etc

Each ride added makes all the lines in the park that much shorter.

You get the idea.

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Ah what the hell.....Magnum What?

S:ROS blew me away

I wish SFAW would paint all it's pre-owned rides...*cough, cough, cheapskates!, cough , cough*

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For the sake of yourself, don't take anything I say seriously.

You know, mentally walking around my homepark, (AW) I think we have been so lucky to have been blessed by other parks. (Sarcasim)

Thank you for: Ultra Twister, Batman the Escape, Greezed Lightning, Viper, and Myan Mind Bender.

We borrowed the Condor for a year, and shared our first generation freefall, spinning barrel ride, and Thriller with other parks.

WE even have the Astroneedle rusting away on property for a small donation it's yours.

Now tell me we are not a real team player.

God I want a REALLY NEW coaster so bad.....

But something tells me our next will be a gift from another park, at least we managed not to get Shockwave..

We did get the S@S Swatter which is really fun.



*** This post was edited by Markieb 4/24/2003 1:19:17 PM ***

Touchdown: I have a feeling you are somewhere along the right path. They might take it down, but I don't know about getting Viper from SFGAdv. That doesn't go woth the theme of Hometown Square. If they do, I'm sure they'd might find a way...

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Are you ready to fly in '03 SFGAm??? :)

Another odd rotation I heard about was the Looping Starship at SFOG From what I've heard it was there for one season,removed,then returned

Was the Condor at Astroword not the same one that's at SFGAM now I seem to remember getting a brochure from Astroworld the year it debuted but I think the one at Sfgam was already there

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RCT INSOMNIACS
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Magnum Force: I get what you're saying, I was only pointing out that adding two new coasters vs one does not work to shorten the lines of those two new rides, except in cases where two coasters are built as one (Chiller) and most people only ride one or the other.

However, your "overall park capacity" theory only works if both rides are installed without removing other rides. Since Sky Whirl was pulled out for Deja Vu, then theoretically adding Deja Vu and V2 has no more effect on overall park capacity than keeping Sky Whirl and just adding V2. Of course, I'm more than happy with Deja Vu and V2 so I'm not complaining, just pointing it out.

-Nate


john13601 said:


Was the Condor at Astroword not the same one that's at SFGAM

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I do believe it is the same. That bird gets around.

One thing that comes to mind when speaking about coaster rotation or relocation is that is seems ususally the coaster involved has either killed someone or is having serious problems with mechanical or public perception.

Example of our coasters: Aw:

Batman - in Cali I believe someone was threwn from it and died.

Ultra Twister - People complained to the previous park about how rough it was.

Tornado - People complained about the restraints hurting them and had reoccuring drive wheel issues. People claiming injuries often.

So my point is a relocated ride can be like hiding dirt under the carpet. The True ride relocation was intended to have good rides making a circut to allow each park to have something new each year without any major investments. It was a good business strategy.

I believe that was the Warner days.

Today, under different ownership, relocations seems to be based on a parks desire to dump a trouble maker, customer complaint generator, or bodily damage creator. Just move it and may the problems will go away.

Knowing this practice I am surprised one SF's park is happy when receiving a coaster gift from another park.

I mean think about it. Your park has a great ride, people love it, and it never has any problem or injuries. Is that the coaster you want moved? No ....

If corporate says you are going to have to give up something are you not going to volunteer your trouble maker.



*** This post was edited by Markieb 4/24/2003 1:41:33 PM ***
*** This post was edited by Markieb 4/24/2003 1:43:50 PM ***

I agree with your theory Markieb, which further strengthens the *rumor* of Great Adventure's Viper leaving. No one likes the bleedin' thing now, but I can remember when it debuted it was really popular (then again, in 96 we got excited for just about anything.)

Think how excited some folks at Elitch might be if they see a freshly painted coaster with kewl rings and nice twisties. By the time patrons find out the ride is crap SF would have already made a profit form the attendance increase.

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You have to realize the we are probably not even %1.0 of the parks population. WE know a lot of inside information from the boards that most people dont know and don't care to know.

You are right. the public loves a new ride and it will bring in huge crowds. I remember the Batman:The Escape year. I did not have internet access then. So I had not clue as most people did not that it came from California. All I knew was what the commercial said." Texas's only stand up coaster...."

Cool I thought. While the people over at MM were thrilled to get rid of the headbanging machine, to make room for a really great stand up, we in Houston were standing in line for over 3 Hours to ride their disgarded trash.

I guess it's just the nature of the business.
*** This post was edited by Markieb 4/24/2003 3:57:53 PM ***

Markieb, I disagree with your theory. Some rides were bought intentionally for the purpose of the ride rotation program. For example Flashback was built to be portable and travel around to different parks. I beleive there were no problems or complaints about it at SFGAM and SFOG. Over the years of being at SFMM complaints have mounted but yet they will not move it. So just because a ride is moved doesn't mean its a bad ride or their have been problems.

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Mike
Favorite Wood: Viper at SFGAM,Shivering Timbers
Favorite Steel: Magnum and Raging Bull


floydian slip said:
SFMM and SFMW are close and they both have floorless coasters.

anyway you can check RCDB.com for a rides history it you want to know if the people here are telling the truth (which so far most of them have)


I wouldn't call an 8-hour drive close.


coaster895 said:
Markieb, I disagree with your theory. Some rides were bought intentionally for the purpose of the ride rotation program.

That may be true under the old Warner SF ride rotation, but that is not what is occuring today. Condor, Flashback and others were in the old rotations program.

I personally do not feel todays rotation is really rides purchased for that reason but rather rides needing to have investments recouped from another market because of problems or negative feedback in the market it exist.

I do not think the rides I mentioned:
Batman the Escape
Ultra Twister
Thriller
Viper
Shockwave

were purchased and installed with the intent of moving them. But I could be wrong!


*** This post was edited by Markieb 4/25/2003 8:52:23 AM ***

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