SF next move.

The thing is there *should* be a double standard beacuse the management of six flags kills puppies for furr coats. "Cedar Fair cares!!" Ohh wait this isn't the TTD(CF) vs X(SFMM) thread. That is just every other thread.

-Sorry

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Pete said:
I'm not surprised in park spending is down. SF needs to look at their pricing structure, they are pissing people off. On a recent visit to SFWoA, large Dipin Dots cost $7.95! A large at CP is only $5.50, the price at SF made me feel like I'm being ripped off and I didn't buy the product. If the price was lower, I probably would have ended up buying two throughout the course of the day.

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Again it goes to show that value is truly perception. Though I would certainly agree that a large serving of Dippin Dots is a better value at $5.50 than at $7.95, but really now, is either of them a "value?"

You can buy a whole quart of quality Ice Cream at your local grocery store for a couple of bucks. I understand that Ice Cream from the grocery store is not going to satisfy you when you are in the middle of an amusement park However, if I was buying the product based on price and was able to resist spending the money at $7.95, I would try my best to resist the temptation to do so at $5.50.

On the other hand I have made the same statement you have in the past. IE, If Six Flags want to increase in park spending, they should lower their pricing structures.
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I was once a WOA/GLP employee. I still have ties to people in that park and other SF parks and the corporate offices.

If you're talking about SF WOA dippin dot prices it is that managments policy to get as much as people are willing to bear. Not charge a fair price for the product determined by quality and portion size. Of course there is presure from the mother company to act this way, but the current head honcho has done that from day one.

You all say that enthusiasts are the only people talking about SF selling parks, but they are the only people talking in public about it. If there was a SF employee talking on these boards about this stuff they wouldn't be a SF employee. Also i would say that the vast majority of employees in the SF chain are NOT enthusiasts. Yes they like their job (although that cannot be said about anyone in Ohio) on average. But it's for the atmosphere and people they work with, not beacuse they live most of their life in an amusement park surrounded by coasters. Almost ALL of the SF full time employees i have met really don't like amusement parks as a whole.

But i digress, i have been talking to friends around the company for the past six months and it comes up time and again. Yes the company should and wants to sell the alieviate debt (well in excess of one billion i might add). And now i find it funny that parks like WOA are being tossed around the company water coolers. But parks like Chi and NJ and MM have never been included in these talks. They are NOT the parks that are bringing down the company name/image.

Bossstl, it is true that AB has looked at building a park in the 'Lou for several years. In fact they have even considered turning Grant's Farm into a Busch Gardens or a Sea World. I heard one time (and I'm not sure if it's true or not), but the only reason that there isn't a Busch park in Missouri is because Walt Disney told A.Busch that a park in Missouri would not be profitable (all the while having the full intentions himself -- Walt -- of building one there because of Marceline being in the state -- his boyhood home). SO, if SFStL is sold to AB, it would not be a bad thing. We would loose the corny "name everything Batman (insert tag line here) the ride" names and would have the high quality themeing added to the park that we have come to expect from AB. Not only that rides like Boss and Screamin' Eagle would get the TLC and work that they need. AND we wouldn't have the rotting, empty buildings and closed rides sitting around like we do now - you know which ones I mean. As a former red tag (never made it to blue), I can tell you that SFStL would be better off with some better upper mgmt, and with the 'Lou being AB's HQ, you know that SFStL would quickly become the flagship of the chain.

Jus' sumthin' to thunk 'bout ;)

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Chitown said:
Blech!!! I wouldnt pay a dime for Dippin Dots.

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So I'm not the only one them that sees them as an inferior product: More surface area = faster melting and less overall product.

$7.50 That's insane....but, as I say everytime I see a guy selling wall hangings in front of a gas station "I guess they wouldn't be doing it still if they weren't making money!"

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I belive Walt didn't put a park in Missouri due to the fact it would not be a year round park. And to date Disney has yet to build a truely seasonal park. And another thing how could Mo be a bad location. Apparently the states doing pretty good with 4 theme parks.

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Earlier someone was complaining about WoA pulling down the whole company because attandance and revenues were down. Well maybe it would be different if someone actually knew how to run SFWoA. On any given day, close to half of the major attractions in the park are closed. After SF purchased Sea World a few years ago, the quality of the park has gone WAY down. Now the park is always dirty, understaffed, and uninviting. People wonder why the attendance is down. The only good thing that park ever did after it became Six Flags was back in the days of Six Flags Ohio when they put in the Villain. All the other new rides are all right but they aren't upkept at all so it makes the park look really bad.

As for this whole selling the parks thing, I hope they sell SFWoA back to the company who owned it during the Geagua Lake era so it can go back to being the great park it used to be, only this time with the Villain. I guess some good can come of Six Flags spending all their money like there was no tomorrow.

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Swoosh, don't be so sure that BEC would provide better management/leadership. Look what happened to WOA!