SF buys WoF's OE, 2 parks get new rides!

rentzy.....pretty sure they'd give you Psyclone just to open up some space...;)

gator, really does like Goliath a lot, but *nothing else* is a RoS....

P.S. I rode the second half of GAmericas' Demons last night...under the name of Python....Arrow looping coasters are best with *vertical loops*, NOT corkscrews...;)
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rentzy17 said:
What?! How about X? Besides the down time, that's a keeper.

Would you trade Psyclone for my Comet? ;-)

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I'd trade Psyclone for ANY Comet. You can have Colossuck, forwards and backwards, too!

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What good is having X at your home park if it's never open? I get pissed off enough as it is when Nitro has a half hr. wait and I go to the park every weekend. I can't imagine going to MM every weekend to find the only ride worth riding is down...again!

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"Those who know don't talk and those who talk don't know." -Jeff

Having only seen X standing there, but myself never haven ridden it, I can attest to your frustrations, Andy. Man, oh man, did that hurt, and it opened the day after I left a 3-dayer at SFMM. Again, oh the humanity.
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Well to my knowledge, X runs everyday except wednesdays. But I can attest to everyone's frustration. I went thrice and was only able to ride it once. Rentzy, I searched and I couldnt find the sarcasm. I need to be Taered down mayhaps.

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Lyrically, I'm supposed to represent
I'm not only a client, I'm the playa president!

The downside of the ride rotation for the park is when they get a new ride that's actually pretty old and it doesn't live up to expectations. I know I heard tons of people getting of Zonga this year wondering what all the fuss was about. I'm sure they'll think twice before visiting the park again to ride "the new ride." It makes sense for the park to get old rides. I don't know if it makes sense for the park to market them as "the new ride."

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"It's not a Toomer" - Arnold Schwartzenkoph
"Those who know don't talk and those who talk don't know." -Jeff

Oh yes, the GP learned their lesson with Zonga. It now currently boasts the shortest line of all the coasters, even with the one train, 5 car op.

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Lyrically, I'm supposed to represent
I'm not only a client, I'm the playa president!

Sorry, guys, but I have to disagree.

Few, if any of the GP have absolutely any clue about a new/used ride's previous location, nor would they even care. All one has to do is look at lines at parks with a lot of coasters that had previous homes -- Great Escape, SFAW are two that come imediately to mind.

My guess is that ride experience is the cause of a short line, not ride history. Next time you're in line for Canyon Blaster, Zonga, SFMM's Flashback, SFAW's Batman, SFNO's Batman, or any "new/used" ride play dumb and ask a random GPer if this ride used to be anywhere else? How many do you think will know the correct answer, or even give a rat's @ss.

mOOSH
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rentzy17, I think the spelling is 'door mat' not 'dormant'.

Then again, there are the relocation success stories some seem to dismiss....

Greased Lightning from all indications has received a very warm welcome at SFKK.

Excalibur held as long of a line as any ride in the park, save Scoobyh and Boss, during the two days we visited SFStL...

And I strongly suspect that with a "Premier-type" lapbar midification, Zonga would become quite popular....certainly has worked wonders for the FoF/JJ/Freeze coasters!

It has very little to do with whether a ride has been relocated....and *everything* to do with the quality of ride...I know the rejuvenated Windstorm as Celebration City (Fireball?) held quite a queue, and was a great ride...:)
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Gator gets it! ;)

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rollergator said:

Greased Lightning from all indications has received a very warm welcome at SFKK.

*Well of course. If not for it , Thunder Run would be the only reason I'd go back(but I'd go back for Thunder Run)

And I strongly suspect that with a "Premier-type" lapbar midification, Zonga would become quite popular....certainly has worked wonders for the FoF/JJ/Freeze coasters!

*Well Yeah. The ride was popular when it had those modifications*

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I'm highjacking every post. :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):);)

But, the relocation of rides does lend itself towards allowing some problems to develop. Especially with the mobile Schwatzkopfs, the more you take a structure apart and put it back together, the weaker and more deformed (read: gives bad ride) it gets, no matter how well you maintain it. Try taking apart Ikea furniture to move it - the third time you put it together it can barely hold a few CDs and a laptop computer when before it used to hold a full desktop machine plus books, etc (no I'm not speaking from bitter experience ... ). Same concept, and I'm sure that a lot of Zonga's roughness problems have something to do with its age and frequency of moves. Lapbars might help, but sometimes even lapbar coasters if they're too jerky can hurt (like Villian this past weekend).

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Resident Launch Whore

Moosh: My problem isn't with the ride experience itself and I agree that many people don't know that the ride was moved. The issue is that when the ride is advertised as if it were better than Medusa and V2.1 (in Zonga's case) people get off it with a bitter taste in their mouth, even if it's still a good ride.

I'm not saying they don't like it because it's old and relocated, I'm saying they don't like it because they expected it to be something new and different (not many people know the difference between a Schwartzkoph and a B&M floorless). I don't even think a lap bar retro/re-fit would do the trick. Even at its best, I don't think Zonga could be as big a hit with the GP as Medusa or V2, but that's what they're expecting when they see ride it.

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*** This post was edited by ApolloAndy 11/3/2003 10:02:39 AM ***

Well Andy I don't pretend to get into the minds of every park guest, I've not seen any of the advertising, and I have not made it up to the Bay Area to ride Zonga. You may be right, perhaps people are disappointed. But I also think it's possible you may be projecting your feelings about the ride onto others.

mOOSH

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"But, the relocation of rides does lend itself towards allowing some problems to develop. Especially with the mobile Schwatzkopfs, the more you take a structure apart and put it back together, the weaker and more deformed (read: gives bad ride) it gets, no matter how well you maintain it. "

While rides to change, I don't know how drastic the changes are to the metal. By all reports Olympia Looping rides like it always has and it gets set up and torn down six times per-year. In addition, while it is up it usually is running 3-5 trains. EuroStar has probably gotten a bit more jarring with age, but most people regarded it as a piece of crap out of the gate, so I can't say it has changed much, either.

Adam

Eurostar was running relatively smooth and thrilling when it opened in 95. There was only one rough spot in the overbanked turn after the loop.

It did get rough in the last three years. The problem with a portable inverter: The tracks are much bigger, the riders sit further away from the track so uneven spots will have a bigger effect on the rider.

Olympia still rides like brand new, so did Thriller and Dreier Loop. I don´t think that the metal got weaker.

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Moosh: I had pretty low expectations of Zonga in the first place. ;) I'm not a fan of even the best Schwarzkophs <ducks>. I did speak with a handful of GP while I was there (just starting up conversations in line) and many were not impressed/disappointed with the ride. It may also have to do with the one train, 5 car, slow op, separate fast pass load cycle, operation but who knows? ;)

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BaSSiStiSt said:

Mike Miller - B. as in Burkett?

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Sad how I was thinking that, too...

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-Rob
A.C.E. member since 1990
Posting @ Coasterbuzz since 2000
E.C.C. member since 2002

Check his profile...doesn't seem to be Mr. Burkett. I emailed "Chris"...will be interesting to see if I get a reply [it's been a few days now].

mOOSH

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