You're missing the point. I'm saying that Magnum's design didn't push the technology envelope because it's basically a mine train built very, very high. Even though MF utilizes a cable lift and features overbanked turns, the concept is very similiar.
Put a Caterpillar, Himalaya, Carousel, Musik Express and Racing Derby next to each other and will you say the park has a unique collection of flat rides?
(Man, I haven't dug through r.s.f.c in a loooong time---it's been nearly 20 years now.)
If you're gonna go fishing, you've got to use better bait to hide the hook. Claiming that MF, Magnum, and Gemini are just overgrown CCMRs is nothing but a big, poorly-baited hook thrown in the water by a poster who is known (at least to me) for his penchant for enjoying semantic/syntactic debates.
You did hook Jeff, though. ;)
Edited: fixed the links. *** Edited 4/23/2008 8:43:58 PM UTC by Brian Noble***
Whatever... I stand by what I said. I offered an opinion, and you're entirely free to agree or disagree. Baiting, fishing, trolling, call it what you will. It wasn't a cry for attention or an intended catalyst for debate, but it seems the hook did catch you after all.
Manta is just a Matterhorn on juice. Well, I mean, the seating is different...you ride under the track...it has weird wings...etc...but you know...other than that they are the same.
But seriously, I do agree with Rob in that Magnum is just a HUGE mine ride. I'm not going to draw the same parallels to MF and TTD because those do have different features that I think put them in a different category than a mine ride.
...which is beautiful, Moosh, and I'll go on record as saying that I don't think it's fake. I'll buy Rob a Mickeybar if he's correct that it's not kosher.
(And, as an aside, Rob, you are Jonah fishing. When you get caught throwing the hook in the water, you can't claim to have hooked the person catching you and expect to get away with it. Didn't you read the link I posted? Sheesh!)
wahoo skipper said:But seriously, I do agree with Rob in that Magnum is just a HUGE mine ride. I'm not going to draw the same parallels to MF and TTD because those do have different features that I think put them in a different category than a mine ride.
MF's real *innovation*...cable lift system. That's a pretty neat concept. I still hope Intamin re-visits the cable idea with the concept of a housing, though.
TTD - Intamin took the idea of S:TE and said "what happens if we go over the other side". LOL, now THAT is trolling, baby. :)
Manta....is probably going to push the flyer envelope in some way. Either degree of descent or maybe just the "experiential" concept of the ride...maybe they really LOVED the animal/ride interactivity they got out of Dolphin Pulge at Aquatica? ;)
They've gotten a lot of buzz about it, but a lot of people have expressed significant anticipointment in the actual attraction. Apparently, it's hard to see dolphins when you're whizzing through a short segment of acrylic tube with the attendant refractive properties...
^I was one of those people, LOL. The marketing aspect is ready-made, though... ;)
Besides, you really can view dolphins and riders from either the side of the tank, the viewing window, or the float-thru area of the lazy river. I kinda think any real "ray interaction" will be more like the Plunge (not Pulge, hehe), a visual experience more than actual interaction. Have to admit I probably would have laid out the tank/tube differently so that riders spent more time IN the tank with the dolphins...more of an "encounter".
The coaster and the critters will have to be physically separated, since they can't risk a ray getting too close to the mechnicals.
^That's not necessarily a bad thing... :) Anyways, The ride, if it is one, looks amazing and I am going to try to make it to the Disney area by 2010. There seems to be a lot of build up that I have yet to check out. I think my last time there was 2003.