Safest/most redundant restraints/lap bars

Tuesday, April 6, 2004 8:41 AM
I was wondering which restraint system is the most foolprooof, most redundant on a coaster/ride? Which has the most backup systems if the restraints fail, etc...
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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 8:56 AM
Tig'rrr Coaster, Indiana Beach (Schwarzkopf Jet Star).

Seat design makes it very difficult to do anything foolish; ride forces make the ride very safe, entirely passive design with no moving parts in the restraint system make it extremely reliable.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 9:02 AM
Son of Beast! You won't move!! :>)
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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 9:13 AM
Actually I would say the T bar and seatbelt that both Intamin and GCI uses.

A standard one possition lapbar is pretty darn effective too and works like a second seatbelt.

The worst?

Ratcheting single lapbars that are almost totally unefective unless pushed into the riders body.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 10:10 AM
I am not sure if there is a truly "fool proof" restraining system since fools are incredibly ingenious. : )

Having said that, TTD restraint systems look quite reliable.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 12:55 PM
Im going to have to go with the Verkoma flying restraints, once you are in you arent coming out, where as the BM ones you could proabably get your feet unhooked if you tried.
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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 1:15 PM
See...I felt the opposite of that....I felt that if I wanted to I could have easily gotten my feet/ankles out of the Vekoma flyers, where I didn't think I could bend my foot enough to get out of the B&M.
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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 1:42 PM
Sorry If I was confusing in the original post, but I didn't mean which one makes you feel the most safe, rather, which one is safest as far as chances of it coming off, which one has the most safety systems, etc...

*** Edited 4/6/2004 6:12:58 PM UTC by SFGAdv lover***

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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 1:47 PM
Same here, Peabody. In fact, it always feels like I'm going to fall out of the Vekoma flyer. I tend to find myself tensing up to feel more secure. The B&M's are so snug, it's crazy.
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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 2:06 PM
I would have said the Intamin harnessing system on Perlious Plunge, with the T bar and the seatbelt harness, but since someone supposely fell out, im not sure.


As for amusement rides, The harnessing system on the KMG tango is the most open, yet safest restraint I've ever been on. www.kmg-rides.com

also i think these restraint systems are pretty reliable:

Chance - Inverter
Chance - CHAOS
Fabbri - Booster (MY FAVORITE RIDE)
KMG - EXPERIENCE
KMG - SPIN OUT/ MOVE IT
Kamikaze - this ride has 2 harness backups
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the rides I felt totaly unsafe on were:

Huss - TOP SPIN, i was holding on for dear life
Fabbri - Evolution, harnesses were squeaking.

*** Edited 4/6/2004 6:19:11 PM UTC by k-16***

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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 2:58 PM
k-16....pretty sure the restraints on Perilous Plunge were re-worked AFTER the accident....now they are essentially foolproof, but also a *disaster* in terms of load/unload....I never saw the ride operating before the accident.
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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 3:23 PM

Lord Gonchar said:
Same here, Peabody. In fact, it always feels like I'm going to fall out of the Vekoma flyer. I tend to find myself tensing up to feel more secure. The B&M's are so snug, it's crazy.

That's exactly how I felt, and how other's I know have felt. My dad (With 250+ coasters under his belt) really freaked out on X-flight.....he said his feet/legs did not feel secure. It might not be hard for the right, determined person to wiggle out of the leg bar. While he didn't enjoy the B&Ms (it was to rough on his body) he said he did feel secure.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 3:27 PM
Ditto, Gonch. The B&M flyer restraints almost seem to overdo it, since they're so large and bulky. While you're not in the flying position, they almost feel like there's too much, but once you get pulled up, your body just kinda settles into them. It seems odd that a restraint as thorough as that was the immediate follow-up (at least at SFGAdv) to the speed coaster restraint, which is so minimal and yet feels very secure -- which leads me to believe that the subjective "safeness" of a ride restraint is definitely dependent on the ride style.
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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 3:32 PM
You people need to remember, as Woodyman did, that nothing is foolproof for a sufficiently talented fool.

In terms of safest, I honestly think that the Huss Top Spin has a good system. They have the OTSR that tightens down, and the bar that tightens on top of that. I think the redundancy is due to the hanging nature ofthe ride, and while it is not the most comfortable it certainly seems foolproof. The Intamin Hydraulic restraints also seem to be quite safe.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 11:02 PM
Mustang - The Top Spin I went on was horrible, the harnesses were SO loose i could have easly fallen out if i wasn't hanging on. The over the shoulder harness is only held by the bar that goes over legs.

maybe the top spin i went on was old or something.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 11:10 PM
Interesting. The Top spins I have ridden at SFEG and WOF were both so tght as to border on severe disomfort. However,the WOF Top Spin was only a year and a half old, and SFEG top spin had recently had the retraints replaced. I love the rides, but I know that I would not feel comfortable on them if the restraints were not as tight as they were.
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Wednesday, April 7, 2004 12:10 AM
I certainly would prefer if X had some restraint for your feet and legs.. A few of the raven turns my hips and legs came all the way out up and over the hump and dangled freely.
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Thursday, April 8, 2004 6:59 AM
X restraints are AWESOME!
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Thursday, April 8, 2004 5:23 PM
I felt very secure in a Premier lap bar (excluding Son Of Beast). It felt secure, but then it also allowed you to have airtime also. The leg things are a little bizarre though, but padded thoroughly. These are good for upside-down steels, and only very intense un-inverting.

The PTC lapbars, to me, have never felt like you were properly restrained (Example: Viper, Car 1, Row 3- you get thrown up like a rag doll!) Also some are very cheapily made (Cyclone @ SFNE), and are moving up and down when locked! Very flimsy.

B&M Flyers are fine. B&M Sit Downs are fine. B&M Inverteds are fine. B&M Hypers are fine.

(Figure out which one I left out?)

B&M Stand-Up's- Wow, what a pain. Even though I have only been on Iron Wolf, these hurt. The man's crotch it thoroughly dislocated after the ride, and you're banging your head for much of the ride.

Arrow/Vekoma Horsecollars/OSTR's: Fine, except for the one's on Demon at Six Flags Great America. Didn't lock very well.

Schwarzkopf Lap Bars/All: Great idea. All of them. Properly restrained for it's kind.

Intamin Impulse: Secure, but on the holding break, sometimes, you smash it where it hurts (for guys). Ouch.

Intamin Lap Bar: Foolproof. Secure, great. Nothing else to say. Most of the benefits of the Premier Lap Bar, without the funky foot thing. Feels like you're flying. Good for coasters with lots of airtime- allows you to feel it, while being very safe.

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Thursday, April 8, 2004 5:29 PM
Duh. Intamin's lap-bar and seatbelt configuration. (i.e. Perilous Plunge) ;)
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