Rough stand-ups.

I know Batman the Escape is very rough like King Cobra but do you think after a few more years this will happen to Mantis at CP.

Just my opinion (I have LOADS of 'em), but I thought last year KC was considerably smoother than Mantis. A couple years back Mantis was phenomenal, now it just seems a little too much like Chang-and-Bang. Gotta wonder why jeremy doesn't give me a least a *little* flak for dissing "his" stand-up...LOL. Could it be that he's just not hostyl ENOUGH?

I loved RRv and think Ga Scorcher is a fine machine...sometimes less IS more! But the Beemers DO seem to age pretty quickly in my book, a LOT moreso than the Togos (haven't been to PKD since '00 though).

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I dont mind Mantis at all. King Cobra seemed equall in roughness to Mantis to me this summer.

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I refuse to ride the TOGO stand ups, I feel like I am being molested in those restraints.

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You have no idea how rough a TOGO can really be unless you go to Osaka and ride Fujin Raijin II. The most terrifyingly brutal and torturous ride imaginable. I have pics of it, and it sure looks beautiful, but it should have been called Iron Maiden because it feels like you are inside one when you ride this thing. The most amazing thing about is that I rode it in 1998, and it seemed so fun. Not terribly smooth, but not a deathtrap either. Last summer??? ugh.............
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Batman the Escape isn't that rough, they put some new wheels on it last year that made a big difference. It's particularly smooth in the front.

Rollergator: Yep, Mantis is rough. They tried to get too much coaster into a very small space. I understand that Riddler at MM is one of the better B&M stand-ups.

RR is a wonderful and very smooth coaster. The best stand-up in my experience... There are some nice POVs online. Check 'em out.
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Mantis got rough all of a sudden? I was last at CP in '00 and it seamed perfectly smooth to me.

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Mantis is as smooth as any B&M coaster. The only problem I've noticed with the ride is that it seems to move too fast at the end and tosses you around. The ride itself is very smooth.

Yeah, it's smooth until it tosses you around!! This is not a difficult concept to understand.....

And, it's not rough "all of a sudden." It was like that from the beginning. I'm not saying I hate it, I'm just trying to give my point of view.

When I rode Mantis in 1999, there was only one slight touch to the OTSR during the Corkscrew. Other than that, smooth sailing.

-l(who loved mantis's layout)
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It must be different depending on the size of your body frame. I'm not fat bastard or anything (I'm actually thin) but my height may make a difference. I'm just trying to account for the difference in ride experience....maybe I'm just expecting perfection from B&M (but what's wrong with that???).

P.S. I hear at ACE exclusive ride time at CP that they turn the trim brake (the one on the first hill) off.

Yeah, I'm as skinny as they get. I must have just caught it on an especially good day.

-l who thinks pga's standup hurts like hell
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I used to love Mantis and always looked forward to riding it. I remember there was one day I got five straight rides in the front seat with out getting off and I think I ened up with close to 30 rides that night. It was one of the very first halloweekends and it was a Friday and Magnum was closed so I had to marathon something. Anyway the past two years I have ridden Mantis about 10 times and some rides are gems and some really hurt. Mantis is just like Mean Streak, you have to take the ride for what its worth and sometimes you will have great rides and sometimes it might be a little painful.

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Yeah, I rode Mantis in 2000 and it was smooth as glass, just a lot of pressure on your legs, but that wasn't a big deal at all.

Dan: I've always noticed that about Mean Streak - I'll ride it one time and think it's all that on a stick, and I'll ride it a week later and wonder, "what the h. e. double hocky sticks was that." Mantis is at least a little more consistent than that. I've assumed that temperature, humidity, etc. determined Mean Streak's performance, but I find it hard to believe that there would be as much variability on a steel coaster.

Ha, Chang-and-Bang, thats a fairly humorous one.

Riddler's Revenge is one of my favorite steel roller coasters because of its roughness. It is definitely not rough by any standards, in fact it is very smooth, like most B&M's. However, RRv is not perfectly smooth, it has a slight level of roughness. I like coasters that are not silky smooth but have some roughness so it doesn't feel like you are flying in heaven or something.
I found Vortex at Paramount's Great America to be the roughest B&M that I have ridden, however, just like RRv, Vortex is still on the smooth side.
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If you're talking about rough stand-ups, Iron Wolf must be mentioned. Now, I don't know this from personal experience, but I've heard that it can have a pretty bad headbanging problem- but then again, it was B&M's first coaster, ever.

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