Robb Alvey's Coaster Season 2002

Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:26 PM
Has anybody that (pre)ordered theirs gotten it? I'm just curious because it was said to be released in November and I preordered back in late Semptember. Last time I talked to Robb he said early November.

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Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:28 PM
Still waiting also. I would think that it shouldn't be too much longer.

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Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:34 PM

Last time I talked to Robb he was still working on it. Not sure when it will be out.

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Sunday, November 17, 2002 1:04 PM

Hey there! It won't be too much longer we swear! We've got about 5 or 6 segments left to go, so that should take us about another week, then we start duplicating. We really wanted to put as much into them as possible instead of just rushing them out the door. You can still pre-order to get on the list. I hope the end result will be worth it! =) Thanks again.

--Robb "Now back to work on the DCA and Lakemont segments!" Alvey

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Sunday, November 17, 2002 1:13 PM
Whats all on the agenda Robb? How many parks? coasters?
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Sunday, November 17, 2002 1:45 PM

http://www.themeparkreview.com/coastervideos.htm
Read for yourself.

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Sunday, November 17, 2002 3:00 PM

Any chance of getting this on DVD, or even VCD or SVCD for that matter ?

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Sunday, November 17, 2002 4:56 PM

Joe Carroll said:

Any chance of getting this on DVD, or even VCD or SVCD for that matter ?

I think sometime next year we'll give it a shot at starting to put the videos on DVD. There's still so much difference in compatibility, etc. I did burn a test DVD on a friends machine a couple of weeks ago of a few segments and it still only worked in abou 75% of the machines I played it in. I just don't even know how to begin to handle the "what if it doesn't work in my player" problem with DVD+R's since we really want to keep with the 'honor system' of payment. I guess we just have people send them back would be the easiest way. I'm sure we'll figure it out by next year, though.

Thanks again! =)

--Robb


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Sunday, November 17, 2002 5:05 PM
It would be awesome to put them out on DVD but it would be a problem if done with VCD's because PS2 doesn't support the format. :(

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Sunday, November 17, 2002 5:09 PM
After watching a friends copy of the two European videos, I was curious what you use to edit the raw footage, and are you an editor by trade? I was especially impressed by the segment where the video "dances" along to the music. That must have been very time consuming.

My condolences on the motel you stayed at in England. It makes the hotel in "National Lampoon's European Vacation" look like a Ritz Carlton.
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Monday, November 18, 2002 4:54 AM
I agree that DVD would be a nice thing....but I have to question if it might be worth the hassle. Most APEX players seem to play just about any format of VCD, CD, MP3 data CD, and DVD from what I have seen....and they are cheap to boot!

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Monday, November 18, 2002 9:39 AM

I recently created a DVD from videos I had available for download on my web site. Using full quality DV video, it took nearly 5 hours to create the files for a DVD. This includes compressing to MPEG2 and then combining the individual files into the DVD format files (which is all done automatically by the editing program of course). The first DVD is the only one that takes this long as I saved the files to my hard drive first and then burn a DVD from the files. Only problem is if there is a mistake on the DVD, depending where it is, the entire 5 hour process may have to be done again (I did it 3 times before I got it right). Of course, the faster the computer, the faster this process. I used a Athlon 1800+ for my DVD.

I've had good luck playing the resulting DVD (DVD+R) on various DVD players so far and haven't found one that won't play it. Not as many players will play a test disc I made using a DVD+RW, but my home player will and that's all I care about. At least I can test a DVD without having to worry about using up a disc.

One of the drawbacks to recordable DVD is that in order to record in the highest quality, only 1 hour of video will fit on a DVD. After 1 hour, the MPEG2 quality is reduced in order to fit more video. I didn't go all the way to 2 hours, but my first creation had about 1hour and 20minutes on it had had noticeable compression artifacts. I started over and cut the time to just under an hour and it resulted a much better picture.

DVD's you record at home are not the same as what you buy. While both hold 4.7GB's of data on a single layer, the recording format for pre-recorded DVD's is different which results in more video per layer.

Jason

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Monday, November 18, 2002 9:58 AM

I'd be willing to take my chances. If it didn't play on my home DVD player (and I suspect it WILL, as it plays home burnt VCDs just fine), then it would at least work on my computer. I guess I'm just spoiled by DVDs. I'd rather have a DVD that *might* work, than a VHS that will work for sure. That, plus the fact that I don't even own a VHS machine right now. Hey...what about getting a copy on Beta or Laserdisc ? Yes, I still own, and use these machines ;)

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Steel: 1) Raging Bull 2) Millennium Force 3) V2 4) Wild Thing 5) Mr. Freeze
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Monday, November 18, 2002 12:31 PM

One of the drawbacks to recordable DVD is that in order to record in the highest quality, only 1 hour of video will fit on a DVD. After 1 hour, the MPEG2 quality is reduced in order to fit more video. I didn't go all the way to 2 hours, but my first creation had about 1hour and 20minutes on it had had noticeable compression artifacts. I started over and cut the time to just under an hour and it resulted a much better picture.

DVD's you record at home are not the same as what you buy. While both hold 4.7GB's of data on a single layer, the recording format for pre-recorded DVD's is different which results in more video per layer.

Jason



This has been our problem all along. I am kind of a perfectionist when it comes to the video quality, but then again, I have to remind myself that it *IS* better than VHS, and even though I see the videos in DV format all the time, I have to remember that I think the end user would rather see them on DVD than VHS. It will happen, I swear, it's just going to be a matter of cost and quality. We would love to keep the price of the DVDs at $10, but looking into cost of goods now, it would have to be $15 each, and I just don't know if that's too much to charge. And also, we could only do 1 video per DVD, and for the 'Season DVDs' we couldn't do a steady 8k bitrate for all segments, otherwise it just wouldn't fit.

--Robb "DVDs aren't as easy to make as I had hoped!" Alvey

ps. to the person who asked about me being an editor by trade - the answer is no, I just picked it up a few years back.

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Monday, November 18, 2002 1:54 PM

Well, I for one would pay $15 for DVD format, hell, I would even pay $20! I'm sure a lot of other people would do the same as well. Maybe some other people can chime in to tell Robb they would pay $15 (hint, hint). Even if it didn't work on my PS2 I could still watch it on my laptop and maybe even buy a cable to connect it to my TV. 8-)

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Monday, November 18, 2002 6:53 PM
I'd imagine Robb uses imovie. Another Really good editing program is videomach.
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Monday, November 18, 2002 7:14 PM

Colonel Sanders said:
I'd imagine Robb uses imovie. Another Really good editing program is videomach.


I actually use Premiere for the most part. If I ended up going mac-only will probably switch over to Final Cut, but for now Premiere seems to be working great!

--Robb "Back to the Lakemont segment!" Alvey

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Monday, November 18, 2002 7:57 PM

Robb Alvey said: This has been our problem all along. I am kind of a perfectionist when it comes to the video quality, but then again, I have to remind myself that it *IS* better than VHS, and even though I see the videos in DV format all the time, I have to remember that I think the end user would rather see them on DVD than VHS. It will happen, I swear, it's just going to be a matter of cost and quality.


In my tests with a DVD over an hour in length, I actually found the VHS picture to look better than the resulting DVD picture. If I remember right the DVD ended up being recorded at "90% quality" in order to fit the hour and 20 minutes of video on a single disc. I'm sure there may be ways to improve this, but I didn't play around with it too much. I just removed a couple segments from my DVD and had it just under an hour. Taking nearly 5 hours to encode a DVD video makes it kind of hard to just play around with settings.

DVD media seems to be slowly dropping in price and I've gotten some good deals on sales at Best Buy with rebates and such, but the cost is still around $3-$5 per disc whereas you can purchase 10 standard VHS tapes for $9.99 almost any day of the week now.

Jason

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Monday, November 18, 2002 8:49 PM

Jason Knutson said:
In my tests with a DVD over an hour in length, I actually found the VHS picture to look better than the resulting DVD picture. If I remember right the DVD ended up being recorded at "90% quality" in order to fit the hour and 20 minutes of video on a single disc. I'm sure there may be ways to improve this, but I didn't play around with it too much. I just removed a couple segments from my DVD and had it just under an hour. Taking nearly 5 hours to encode a DVD video makes it kind of hard to just play around with settings.

Jason



This is my problem excactly. I don't want to release a DVD if it's not even going to look as good as VHS. I've been doing some tests with variable bit rates ranging from 6k - 8k using tmpgenc as my encoder and have had some VERY good results. I think the trick is going to have to look at each segment one at a time, and really decide if it can drop down in quality or not. With finishing up the '02 videos, I haven't had much time to test the DVDs. Anyone else using tmpgenc?

--Robb "Who wants to go play with the DVD toys as soon as possible!" Alvey

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Tuesday, November 19, 2002 5:45 AM
Another good encoder is CCE.

I have a friend that does a lot of DVD recording and discussed this with him. Here's what I got out of the conversation. He says he's been able to get 3-4 hours on one DVD using tmpgenc, at a very good quality (say, SVHS). If you can only get 1hr on a disc, to lower the resolution. 720x480 is not necessary and you won't notice the difference if lowered to 500 something. When you buy a pressed DVD, it's lower than 720x480. Also he buys DVDR's for ~$.50e. Anyway that's what I got out of it. Maybe not all correct.

Remember, even if it isn't quite DVD quality, you have something that won't wear out.

A good place to ask DVD questions is the vcdhelp.com forums. Also check out doom9.org.

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