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Mayday - Memorial Day Weekend - Nonpoint, Nickelback, Oleander, Staind
Ozzfest - June 8 - Drowning Pool, Papa Roach, Linkin Park, Disturbed, Black Sabbath
Awake Tour- June 15 - Darwin's Waiting Room, Puddle of Mudd, Deftones, Godsmack
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Even though I have never seen the movie, just from the pictures they look lke a group of fun people and I dont see anything wrong in what they were doing? Lighten up people...
Getting to take video on rides isn't always a violation of park rules. Now, given that I know when not to take a camera on rides (I always ask first. If they say no, I store it away), but there are also instances that clearly show relaxed camera policies on rides.
Ever been to Jazzland? The day I was there, they MADE us take our cameras on the rides. They don't allow loose articles to be put off to the side. Almost ever ride I rode in the park that day, I took POV of. One in particular even surprised the heck out of me even.
Six Flags Magic Mountain has a very relaxed camera policy on rides as does Six Flags Over Texas and some other parks I could name. If I wanted POV from a ride that I didn't know in advance the camera policy, I will ask a ride operator, or management in advance. If a ride operator says that it is cool to shoot footage or take a couple of pictures while riding after asking in advance, that doesn't mean I am taking advantage of the ride operator. Ride operators should know the safety policies of a ride and if they don't, they shouldn't be working there in the first place. If there is a manager present, I will ask that person.
Robb, you did a great job with your video and I love to watch all three of your 'home movies' videos .
-Sean (who is just not saying that because he is in all three........he just knows a good video when he sees one)
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September 11th, 2001. We will never forget. Peace!
As for Jazzland making you take your cameras on the rides, like I said before, it's not the parks responsibility to make sure people have good situations to film under. They can't all-out say no cameras allowed in the park, they expect people to put loose things in lockers(if they have them) ior something, & I'm sure that rule doesn't mean please film while riding.
Seeing people with cameras on the rides makes me nervous. It's not something you have to do, it's something a handful wants to do. Duct tape, out of the public's eye.......
Under this standard, I can break any law, rule I see fit for myself as long as nobody else notices, or gets hurt, or if I ask a certain strategic person for the kind of permission I'm looking for, or something.
...but theoretically, the question still stands. Would it be possible for a park to sue someone if they have footage of violating the rules, such as taking POV's and standing up on rides where it is against the rules?
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Mayday - Memorial Day Weekend - Nonpoint, Nickelback, Oleander, Staind
Ozzfest - June 8 - Drowning Pool, Papa Roach, Linkin Park, Disturbed, Black Sabbath
Awake Tour- June 15 - Darwin's Waiting Room, Puddle of Mudd, Deftones, Godsmack
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Until you get a parking space with your own name on it, you're still part of the GP.
I can't say I agree with your opinions but I do agree that it isn't a park responsibility to provide a area for people to video tape in. I don't think anyone questions that. Jazzland has a very relaxed policy. There are no signs stating that cameras are not allowed on rides, but there are signs prohibiting other things being allowed on rides. Each and every ride I rode with my camera, I was told that if I wanted to shoot on the ride, it was my responsibility to hold on the camera, and if it was lost, there was nothing I could do about it.
I fully agree with this. I take full responsibility for what I shoot, how I shoot. If a park manager, or ride op is going to give me permission to shoot POV on a ride, I trust myself well enough to know the smart way of doing things. Out of all the times I have shot POV, never once has anyone behind me objected or thought I was getting special treatment..
Shooting POV is something no one NEEDS to do, but like you said, they want to do. I see nothing wrong with shooting as long as it is in a safe manner, there are no objections from the park or staff. I think a ride op can provide permission as well as management. If I question a ride op and still am not sure about it, then IMO, the management of the park is somewhat guilty for not training or teaching the correct rules. Like I said before, I have no problem being told that I can't shoot video, but if I ask, and am told I am allowed as well as it's my responsibility, then I don't see a problem with it as long as I am not putting my self in a unsafe manner, or anyone around me.
I personally don't know of anyone that will purposely ask a ride op for permission just to get around some sort of management cloak.
-Sean
I was at Kennywood in 1998 for the NAPHA convention. We had an ERT session on the Jack Rabbit. I asked the park rep who was hosting our group if I could shoot video on board. He asked the rides manager. The rides manager left the decision to the lead operator, who said "yes". Personally, I think that was an appropriate chain of command, but then I am a big advocate for having empowered, responsible ride operators.
Incidentally, after the camera run, I stuffed the camera into my waist pack for more ERT fun. I was in the back seat, and as the train hit the double-dip, the camera bag hit the floor. Fortunately I recovered the camera. For my next ride, the bag was empty and the camera was back in my hand where it was safe. And that's why my current camera bag (smaller than the one I was using back then) has *two straps* on it.
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
I'm the somewhat it seems "infamous" Elissa White. This is my first time posting so before I get into this I just wanted to say hi to everyone. And please realize that i'm not some scary, too good for anyone "media whore". I just recently got involved with all the enthusiasts after being in ACE for over 5 years.
So anyways, on with my response.
Lapbars- I never do anything to keep my lapbar up. Those who have ridden with me know that I don't carry a belt pack, or where big clothing so I don't "trick" operators into leaving my restraint high. Everyone out here knows that sometimes they just do that. Many people can also attest to the fact that I have pulled my bar down when I've felt unsafe and even pulled down the bars of several of my friends when I felt they were being unreasonable.
Standing on Rides- If anyone watches the video carefully you will see that I never actually stood up on a ride. I never got out of my restraint (ok well Thunder Mountain was close but what could I do, Robb's bigger than me and yes, I made sure that no kids were around me when I did that. enthusiasts were in our whole car surrounding us.) I think it's ridiculous when people try and get out of their restraint. A lot of times if the original audio could be heard on the video you would hear me say something like "I don't understand how someone could wiggle so hard to get out of the restraint, I can't even conceive of that, it's so difficult!"
The Mexican comment- Ok, again this is something that was obviously heard out of context by someone who doesn't know me. There has always been a somewhat inside joke about californians having aneurysms on rides. Then it evolvoed into women having aneurysms, then mexican women having aneurysms. Then when a californian, mexican woman dies on a ride (and at that time no one was quite sure why she fell off) we made a joke about the aneurysms again. Now I know some people don't feel joking about any death is appropriate and I'm sorry if you heard that and were offended. I am not against, women, mexicans, or californians (allthough you have to wonder why they all love Goliath so much!! =))
I really think that it's hard to put out 74 minutes of anything that won't offend somebody. There are inside jokes in the video and i'm sure that by not understanding them you might think that Robb, I, or any of the other people in the video are different from how we are in person. I encourage you to hang with us, let us know who you are, introduce yourself...we're not untouchable, we're just normal people who probably spend too much time on roller coasters!
The video is a home video, people seem to like it though, we're not "hamming it up" for the video, that was our year! This is what we watch and look back on and say "Wow, remember when we drove up there at midnight and McDonalds was out of mustard?" Robb even went out of his way to do a coaster footage video this year with only pov and onride that people seem to like. But I can tell you, when we sit down at night we watch the Season video.
Thanks for listening. Feel free to email me or IM me anytime to talk or yell. Just try to be nice, I am a hormonal chick and get upset that people say bad things about me that don't even know me!=)
Elissa White
Links please..
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Although I'm a SFMM 2001 season pass holder, I can't ride X because I'm from Europe :(:(:(
2Hostyl said:
Wow! There's even brains behind all that beauty; a rare combination indeed. Welcome.
lata,
jeremy
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A Nigerian Muslim sharia court sentences a pregnant woman found guilty of adultery to be stoned to death, but only after she has finished weaning her baby.
This is known in some parts of the Muslim world as compassionate conservatism
lol, i so agree. i think it would be a total blast to hang out with them, only because i am SO much like them (its scary really). i REALLY hope im able to see them at a park someday :)
If you see me running, try and keep up!
LOL! That whole "bit" was kind of a big joke to that whole post. I had stopped reading RRC by the time that thread hit and someone told me about that thread the night before I left for that trip. I actually got a big kick out of it.
One thing you have to know about Robb (when he isn't trying to grab my rear) is that he loves to just randomly stick his camera in the face of unexpecting people.That way, he gets unusual quotes from some people. To this day I don't know who posted that "sexiest' post, and I still can't believe Robb put it in his video. I feel so stupid for saying it. =:^)
Ellissa,
You are just as guilty of being a media wench as I am of being a Rail Junkie. =:^)
-Sean ( nice job on the 'new' segment by the way)
Now, as far as my other "bad" comments about the video, I din't mean any harm. I was just trying to let people what they would be hear and see on the video. If you were at some of the events on the video, you'll probably feel right at home. I did laugh at many of the things on the video, including the amount of money to get in SFOG, any ride at SFMM being better than Goliath, the Vekoma engineer at SFA etc. Like I said, I did know many of the people in your video "hamming" it up. I did also enjoy footage of parks I've never seen like Legoland.
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Until you get a parking space with your own name on it, you're still part of the GP.
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