Revolutionary coaster company for the next decade

2Hostyl said:

Everything else was just improvements (and damn good improvements might I add!)

Excellent point. B&M never makes revolutionary big steps. Follow the standups, sit downs (floorless included), and inverts from first built to most recent. They make small improvments and advances in both size and elements from coaster to coaster. Their two newest products, the flying and the floorless are really just small steps from existing products... just standard coasters with a newer train style. (Flying is invert with a new train, floorless is sitdown with a new train.) Their biggest "revolutionary" achievements are probably their quality of engineering and smoothness.
-Peabody

I would have to say Setpoint, their Seizmic coaster looks really neat, and with great ideas like that they could really get alot of parks to build them.

Parks that might not want to spend alot of money on racing coasters could build one of these. I think they will be doing the best in a few years.

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B&M did do the first vertical drop rollercoaster but most of their other rollercoasters are just brilliant improvements.

2Hostyl, Drachen Fire was actually designed by B&M, but Arrow later took over the project when B&M dropped out to create Kumba. also the SLC Vekoma design was created after Kumba. The immelman and vekoma heart-beat inversions are completely different and B&M designed it before Vekoma.

B&M tycoon, I have to agree that if the Setpoint Seizmic ever gets built, it is going to be amazing.

The Immelman didnt show up on a B&M until Montu (1996) the first 'rollover' was on El Condor (1994). And despite you allegation, at the very essence, and Immelman is only one half (the 2nd half) of the rollover. Same thing.

And until I see some actual 'proof' that B&M designed Drachen Fire, then I can only give credit to those who actually MADE it, ARROW. Besides, supposing you're right and B&M did originally start work on Drachen Fire, who knows what changes ARROW made in the design? People already speculate that the bunny hill should have been a zero G roll. The truth is, none of the public "knows" anything more than Drachen Fire was made by ARROW.

Any thing else is legend and speculation.
lata,
jeremy

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Actually, someone got a nice letter from B&M indicating they had nothing to do with Drachen Fire. So I'd say that's an end to that silly urban legend.

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Now we have an urban legend about a guy getting a letter from the great B&M... ;)

I don't know about that, sounds suspicious "Someone got a letter from B&M..." It would seem a logical conclusion that maybe B&M had a part in the designing since the elements were so radically different from any other Arrow coaster in existance. For instance, if Arrow designed DF, then why don't they use the cobra roll element on more recent designs from Arrow? Also, why are the elements such as a cobra found on many B&M coaster built after DF? It just seems more logical that B&M had some involvement in the designing of DF.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there other Arrow coasters from the time period of DF where Arrow used the Cobra Roll (they call it a batwing). I think Orient Express has one. I originally believed the B&M rumor, but now I believe that they had nothing to do with it. I think if they did, by now they would have helped BGW in some way fix the ride. I think it was an Arrow design all the way.

Yes Enigma13, Orient Express @ WOF has a boomerang but they call it a "Kamakazie Curve"
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"Revolution" is definitely a Schwarzkopf, and even though Anton may no longer be with us, he is STILL "revolutionary" in my book...
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An Arrow Boomerang is different than a Vekoma Boomerang.
A Vekoma Boomerang is similar to a B&M Cobra Roll.
An Arrow Boomerang is similar to a B&M Batwing -->
B&M-->http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery87.htm?Picture=4
Arrow-->http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery4.htm?Picture=3
World's of Fun's Orient Express features an Arrow Boomerang, which is like Montu's 4th and 5th inversions. It has nothing to do with the B&M Cobra Roll (or Vekoma Boomerang) like element on Drachenfire. And, not that it's relevant, but the Orient Express opened in 1980, 13 years before Drachenfire. . .so, well, it was in no way from the same time period as Drachenfire.
Also, for what it's worth . . . the first Immelman (as opposed a diving loop) appeared on Montu and subsequent B&M inverts (Alpengeist, Talon). The heart roll on SLC's has little in common with the Immelman as far as the rollover is concerned. Something closer to a B&M Immelman would be an SLC's third inversion, which is sometimes known, on Arrow and Vekoma sitdown coasters, as a sidewinder.
Confused yet?
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*** This post was edited by Chernabog on 10/11/2001. ***

Chance Morgan, makers of Steel Force and Steel Dragon, have a real nice thing going right now. They are a relatively small operation, but have exceptional engineers and building techniques.

Oay Chern, if you think the 'rollover' and the I-Man are *totally* different, then I'll just agree to disagree. Admittedly, I mis-spoke earlier, I meant to say that the I-Man is the FIRST half of the rollover not the second (mea culpa). Being an aeronautics buff, the first half of the 'rollover' is closer to the *true* Immelman manuver (the second half is akin to a Split "S"). But if you still dont agree, that's cool.

Also sethman wonders why there arent any more Arrow coasters with a cobra roll. Well, after Drachen Fire, Arrow didnt MAKE another 'megalooper' that I'm aware of. The next Arrow looper that I know of is Tennessee Tornado, which is another radical shift for Arrow. I'm still going with Arrow on this one (till hard proof otherwise is given).
lata,
jeremy

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