Recognizing trains

Wednesday, September 4, 2002 8:59 AM
I have a dumb ass question, try not to strike me: How do you recognize trains in a wooden coaster Gerstlauer/PTC/Premier. I hear people mention the roughness of Gerstlauers . Does Roar at SFMW have Gerstlauers? I found it considerably rougher than Roar at SFA. Gracias!!
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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 9:06 AM

Roar @ SFMW runs GCI's Millennium Flyer trains, while Roar @ SFA runs PTC trains.

Rides such as Twisted Twins, Boss, Hurricane @ MBP, and Mega Zeph run the G-Trains.

The Premier trains are on SOB.

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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 9:06 AM

The best way to recognize GCI trains is that the seats are individually articulated, like on a B&M, and they have T-bars that come down, somewhat like an Intamin hyper train.

The only other ride that has GCI trains is Lightning Racer though, right?

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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 9:16 AM

Antuan - its not a dumb question. With time you'll easily be able to look at a train and know what kind it is. I'd suggest making notes based on what others have posted here [what coasters run what trains] then go to www.rcdb.com, search for each coaster, and see if you can find a clear picture of the trains.

Moosh

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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 9:34 AM

Here is the G-Train that used to run on the Legend. This style can also be seen on Twisted Twins.

Here is one that runs on the Boss. This is the same type that runs on Villain.

Here are the Millennium Flyers you were asking about. These trains have single bench cars, while the G-Trains that look similar (Boss and Villain) have two bench cars.

I'm really surprised that you found the ones on Roar to track poorly, as the ones on Lightning Racer are superb. Maybe it can be attributed to track maintenance.

p.s. Here are the Premier trains, as seen on SOB.

Don't worry, you'll be a "Trainspotter" in no time. ;)

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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 9:56 AM
chris: I hope he *does not* become a "trainspotter". It'd be terrible if he got fired because "his arm showed tracks". Anyway, SFA takes GREAT care of their woodies (ONE good thing everyone can say about the park). It'd probably be scary-good if ROAR-east ran MFlyers.
lata,
jeremy
"My homeboy got jacked. My mother's on crack. My sister cant work 'cause her arm show tracks!"
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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 10:20 AM
I agree,I'd love to see Roar at SFA run GCI millenium flyers,I'd also like to see the park take the same pride in their steel coasters as they do with their woodies.
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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 10:22 AM

Ok.Ok. Not that type of "trainspotter."

"I have no remorse, so squares beware." - Or maybe that's a better tag for you. ;)

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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 10:47 AM

All GCI coasters should run "Millennium Flyer" trains period! They are so comfy and a quite neat looking. Plus compare the ride Wildcat and Lightning Racer give. If wildcat where to use Flyer trains it would be such a great ride.

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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 11:05 AM
Thanx guys. Until now I thought they all looked alike. I guess my eyes are now being trained. By the way, does Big Dipper at Santa Cruz use PTC's also? It was weird because there is only one side open (you enter and exit through one side) Also the wheels looked like that of a locomotive...I've never seen that on a coaster. The trains looked new though so it couldn't be that old of a design...hmmm
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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 11:18 AM

The M-flyers on LR were THAT comfy, and articulated beautifully, gracefully, "swoopingly" through the twists and turns...GCI builds absolutely artistic-looking coasters that run like crazy, awesome rides...like all things, however, you gotta take the bad with the good....the lapbars had springs that were SO loose....

Gersties, with the nice HARD covering, protect the lapbars perfectly from the damage that could be caused by the violent collisions with riders thighs.... Rider, bruises to NO end - lapbar, perfectly intact...

PTC's are awesome trains, and even the litigious nature of our society forcing seat dividers, etc., hasn't impacted their ability to give an awesome ride....just a *nudge* below the MF trains...(due to tracking ability)...

Premier trains...fall under Mom's category "if you don't have anything nice to say"...I don't, so I won't...

"My homeboy got jacked. My mother's on crack. My sister cant work 'cause her arm show tracks!".....jeremy, you ARE the man...thanks....

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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 11:40 AM
Big Dipper at Santa Cruz, and Belmont as well as Colossus and Grizzlie all use Morgan trains with variation in restriant and access.

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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 12:06 PM

As well as the Dragon Coaster at Rye Playland.

The Morgans with flanged wheels are ugly replacements for the original trains. The flange is just another method of holding the train to the track (instead of side friction wheels).

Flanged wheels also show up on some junior PTC trains (the small Paramount Park woodies or the Sea Dragon at Wyandot Lake).

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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 12:11 PM
Aren't the flanged wheels a throwback to the Prior&Church trains of LONG ago?....
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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 12:34 PM

Yeah, and the the California Big Dippers, and Dragon Coaster are Prior and Church rides.

Coaster Thrill Ride at the Western Washington Fair might be the only coaster to still run the original Prior and Church trains (though the Carl Phare Coaster and trains at Playland are awfully close!).

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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 12:40 PM
Ummm...Prior and Church trains.

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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 1:44 PM

I pity the people in California. All that wood and most of the run Morgans. Only Ghostrider has PTC's then there's the Psyclone thats running B&M woodie trains I believe.

I feel your pain.

Prior and Church trains were from a long time ago. The only one I know that still runs them is the Fair in Washington that has a woodie. I'm pretty sure they resemble Millenium Flyer' from GCI.

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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 1:45 PM
I thought the Santa Cruz Big Dipper (wait that should be GIANT Dipper, Belomont as well) was an in house design. Or is this one of the often mistaken pieces of trivia?
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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 1:49 PM
Both Giant Dippers are P&C designs acording to rcdb.com.

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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 1:49 PM

SCBB Dipper has, to the best of my knowledge, run three types of trains: P&C, some gawd awful Arrow development trains, and the first two Morgan trains produced for wood coasters. Belmont ran P&C, then the Morgans.

Moosh - who's very first wood coaster experience was Belmont Dipper [nee "Earthquake"] with P&Cs.

edit - opps...that wasn't what you were asking. Oh well...more info for ya anyway.

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