Raptor: Talon's older brother

Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:01 AM
Ahoy there!
I was looking at pictures of Raptor and Talon, and then I came across Talon's logo. It is very similar to Raptor's. It made me wonder, so I dug deeper, and found that there are many simalarities between the two, as far as ride lay-out, etc... But was Talon "inspired" by Raptor lay-out wise, or did Cedar Fair just decide to make Dorney's invert similarly themed and logo'd to CP's (and I just imagined the whole similar lay-out thing).
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Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:04 AM
Wow, yeah they are somewhat the same! :) Got it right on the money PKDStar01

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Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:21 AM
I sense a note of sarcasm...
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Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:34 AM
Their layouts are not that similar, other than the turning drop to a loop. Raptor has the cobra-roll, Talon has the Immelman. Talon is a lot more of a ground hugger in spots with a nice helix. Of course this is my memory and my experience, I rode Talon in Sept and Raptor a few years ago.
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Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:37 AM
The only relationship is that the same planning and design department at Cedar Point does stuff at Dorney (and Michigan's Adventure, and maybe to a lesser degree even Valleyfair and Worlds of Fun).

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Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:28 AM
Well, if you think about it they do have roughly similar layouts.

drop : loop : zero-g roll

Then raptor goes into a Cobra Roll while talon hits an Immelman but then...

"helix" : "brake run"

Then Raptor adds a corkscrew while Talon goes to a drop and ground hugging turn, then...

corkscrew : helix : station

Really if you wanted Raptor in a small space you basicallly get Talon.

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Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:51 AM
It's kind of weird, though, that Cedar Fair puts Raptor in 1994, and Talon in 2001, but Raptor is so much bigger, and from what I've heard, so much better. I wonder why they didn't just give Dorney a Raptor clone.
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Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:16 AM
Because CF wasn't there parks to be different.
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Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:25 AM
I actually prefer Talon. From the dive under the lift to the brake run, it yanks you all of the place. I love Raptor, but Talon is right up there with Dueling Dragons' Fire, together rounding out the three best for me.

A Raptor clone wouldn't work that well because of its shape. The land footprint isn't right for it. Besides, it's longer and runs three trains, so it's a lot of coaster (and expense) for that park.

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Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:32 AM
Jeff, you are the FIRST person who has ever told me that they pefer Talon over Raptor. I never would have guessed by looking that Talon was of the same calibur as Raptor, but, hey! Ya learn something new every day.
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Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:49 AM

Jeff said:
The only relationship is that the same planning and design department at Cedar Point does stuff at Dorney (and Michigan's Adventure, and maybe to a lesser degree even Valleyfair and Worlds of Fun).

Jeff you kind of suprised me there, I figured you'd be a bit more knowledgeable on Cedar Fair's parks than to state that Valleyfair only coinsides with Cedar Point to a lesser degree.  I can forgive though as it looks like you've never gotten up to Valleyfair yet. 


But you really should swing by Valleyfair sometime, as it was kind of amazing how closely related CP and VF really are when it comes to P&D.  When I went to Cedar Point I could definetly tell that it was a bigger version of Valleyfair with a nicer backdrop, everything else felt pretty familiar. 

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*** This post was edited by Valleyfair Fan on 11/29/2001. ***

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Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:43 PM
Well, I'll say it too then so Jeff isn't the only one.

I like Talon better than Raptor.

There, now that that's out in the open... :)

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Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:56 PM
Well I prefer.......nevermind :)
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Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:58 PM
...and even the imfamous Raptor Jo prefers Talon! My last 2 rides on Raptor this year were just incredible! I could feel the blood being pulled to my feet in the helix. It was very very fast, and disorienting. The blood in my body was getting cut off from my legs by the G's. I was sitting in 8-4 of course, and if Talon is anything like those last couple of rides on Raptor, it's big winner.

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Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:14 PM
B&m's are all mostly the same layouts per type of coaster like inverted/floorless. They probably asked fr the best inverted coaster they can make them and the just updated raptor a bit with some new elements.
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Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:32 PM
The same elements, sure, but not the same layouts. The sequence and pace of these elements is what makes the ride. Talon is very near perfect I think. The only thing I don't like is the second or two of relative dead time in the S-curve, similar to what you'll find in Raptor between the corkscrews.

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Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:42 PM
Well I have never rode Raptor so I can't comment on it but if its anything that's as boring as Talon I am going to call off my CP trip next year. Raptor is the main reason besides MF that I'm making my first visit.
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Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:32 PM
While I've never ridden Talon, I think that Raptor provides many thrills.  Of course I like just about any coaster there is. (except Mean Streak...just too rough for my ole' fat body)  I wouldn't put off going to CP just because of a "lack-luster" Raptor... there's so much more to CP than just MF and Raptor.  Besides all the rides that are there, the atmosphere in the park is a reason to go alone.  Great place to get away from the pits of hell known as WORK!  :) 
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Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:43 PM
Talon is boring? Um... OK. I guess you're entitled to your opinion. Whatever floats your boat.

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Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:51 PM
Hmmm, this is weird.  I agree with Jeff AND GregLeg, who agree with each other, all on one coaster.  Talon was excellent, my second fav coaster at the park (behind that lovely Schmeck in top form..;~)!  I WAY prefer the compact layout B&Ms of Talon, BKF and Ga Scorcher...the spread layout coasters just don't seem to have the sustained positive G-forces I crave so much...
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