Raging Bull and Its Return to Glory

Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:43 PM

So I went to SFGAm today for the first time in a couple months. Last time, Bull was way overbraked, the ride ops were slow, and they were stapling pretty bad. Today, the ride ops were a little bit slower, but they weren't stapling and the brakes were like last year. It was so much better, it was unbelievable! I had one of the best rides of my life, lots of room, tons of air, very dark. Has anybody else noticed the lack of brakes recently or am I alone on this one? It seems they let down alot on the brakes and let it run as free as last year.

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Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:46 PM

Raging Bull has it's good days and its bad days. Friday nights are pretty crappy for Raging Bull (Fright Fest wise). Apperintly it needs a little while to get it's juices flowing or something because it really sucked one Friday. I came back on Monday and it was awesome.

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Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:46 PM

I read about all the braking, but took my first ride yesterday. I only noticed one small touch of brakes on one of the hills, but it wasnt much.

The Bull and Viper were duking it out as best ride though.

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Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:47 PM
I noticed Friday night that the trims were completely off going into the final helix. Bull was moving at a good clip in that section.

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2 superheroes in Gurnee next season? Oh the humanity. :)

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Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:48 PM
Well, we're anticipating your TR Chitown.

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SFGAm: 1)DV 2)V2 3)AE Blue 4)Viper 5)Bull


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Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:58 PM
The last time I was at the park (Columbus Day) Bull was absolutely kickin butt and takin names. It was running like I remember it running last year and the year before. Lets hope next season it runs like that all the time...

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Bob Hansen

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Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:25 PM

Im guessing that with the colder weather, They are taking no chances on the trains valleying.

I know PKI either warms the trains up prior or waits till it hits at least 52 degrees to run Vortex.

Chuck, who says once the bearings are warm, Let er rip!

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Charles Nungester.
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Monday, October 28, 2002 4:26 AM
See, it's things like this that make me think that the "ruining" of coasters due to trim brakes is mostly psychological. Correct me if I'm wrong (indeed I may be), but arent the trims on Bull used to keep the speed within certain parameters? Furthermore, isn't it true that most coasters (including Bull) tend to run slower in the cold? If that is true, wouldn't it be a plausible theory that the reason there are no trims activated in colder weather is that the coaster is already going "slow enough"?

If that is true, then you would still be going through the elements and approximately the same speed (thus experiencing approximately the same forces) whether the train is running hot and braked or cold and trimless. Thus any percived difference is all in the riders mind.

Conclusion: GET OVER IT! ;)

Bull rocks Spring, Summer, and Fall (but sucks in the Winter because it's closed :))
lata, jeremy

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"To get inside this head of mine, would take a monkey-wrench, and a lot of wine" Res How I Do

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Monday, October 28, 2002 5:14 AM

I dunno, physics-wise, I think if you go hit a MCBR with no braking taking place going 40 mph then dive into a helix the forces would be different than if you hit the MCBR going 55 then slowed to 40. Seems the former would carry more kinetic energy.

Brian, who hands off to Rideman (for technical info)........ counter, spins, breaks a tackle, splits the linebackers and rumbles for a big gainer before being tackled by the safety! First down!!

--- Sorry it IS football season after all.

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I'm not an enthusiast, I just play one on message boards.

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Monday, October 28, 2002 5:28 AM
I know my best ride on Bull was when it was cold (lower-mid 40s.) I'd guess it does run at the same speed as usual, but the fact the weather is cold, everything feels more intense just because it usually seems that way with everything. I'm betting 2hostyl is right on about it being pyschological.
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Monday, October 28, 2002 5:41 AM

Actually Jeremy, I thought the trims were off in the final helix due to a 2-train operation. Without the extra train on the circuit, no control of the speed is needed since the only other train is currently in the station.

Of course the trim on the 3rd hill and the MCBR was still in use.

Dont think I was complaining because I am with you all the way Jeremy in saying the Bull kicks some serious arse (with or without trims).

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Monday, October 28, 2002 5:50 AM
I know when we were at SFWoA the first weekend in October, BKF was cooking at night, and it was just this side of butt-a$$ cold.

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I'm not an enthusiast, I just play one on message boards.

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Monday, October 28, 2002 6:15 AM
Nah, Chi, those comments weren't aimed at you. It's for the others who claim that the bull should be named "Raging Breaks" or some other such nonsense.

But I'm going to have to dissent with the "2-train" theory. When I was @ GAm on the 13th they were running three trains (they added the 3rd while I was in line) yet when I rode, there was no trim on the final helix (but still on the 3rd hill and MCBR). I still think it is determined by speed.

Homey G., I do not understand what "physics" you are using. Suffice to say I catagorically disagree with your theroy. There is no scientific basis *I* learned to support that. All thing being equal, the two trains travelling the same speed should react the same. "How" they arrived at the speed is of no consequence.

The only different "force" you'd feel is the deceleration due to the brakes. After that "C'est le meme!"
lata, jeremy

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"To get inside this head of mine, would take a monkey-wrench, and a lot of wine" Res How I Do

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Monday, October 28, 2002 6:45 AM

2Hostyl said:
See, it's things like this that make me think that the "ruining" of coasters due to trim brakes is mostly psychological...any percived difference is all in the riders mind.

I'd both agree and disagree with you. I 'percive' things just a bit differently.

I'd agree that perception has a lot to do with it. If you didn't know any better, you might think a 'ruined' ride was great. I rode RB while the uphill trim was biting and thought that the resulting slow float over the tops of hills was fabulous. In fact, it became my number 1 hyper for almost a whole day. (See CPlaya 100 TRs)

I'll even admit that my favorite 'ruined' whipping boy WT has air in the back car. If you never boarded the ride between '96-'99, you might even call it good air and perhaps even a great mix of negative and positive air. Nevertheless, it's only as good as the cars in the middle once were and nowhere near what it was back in the wheel-burning, brake-ripping days. I'm not crazy. CBaby isn't crazy. Pink Floyd Fanatic....okay, you got me there. He is crazy :) but still factually correct.

IMHO a lot of the coasters run loose at the end of the season because there's no point in 'saving' them for the rest of the season. They're a few weeks from being torn down and overhauled anyway. Enjoy it while you can. I know I do.

-'Playa

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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.

*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya on 10/28/2002. ***

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Monday, October 28, 2002 7:07 AM

Perhaps it IS perception then.

Brian, who hasn't been catagorically disagreed with in quite some time.

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I'm not an enthusiast, I just play one on message boards.

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Monday, October 28, 2002 8:02 AM

Acually, I think Homey G is right: Ifyou're going fifty miles an hour, and are then slowed down to forty, there is a distinct loss in momentum, breaking the pacing of the ride. If the ride is already at 40, then there is no break: The ride simply barrels through the brake without anything happening to it. The ride mantaines its pace, whatever pace that is. Personaly, I'd rather be on a well-paced slow ride then a trimmed fast one.

Personaly, I think all this talk about Raging Bull's return to glory is nuts, as I don't think it ever had any glory to begin with: As long as the third hill brake and MCBR are on, it's tame (and I think the second hill is too tall, too). While still a fun ride, it's never been anywhere near one of my favorites. But that's all opinion (one might also look at the fact that the first time I rode it, the last coaster I had ridden was Maggie, and I was therefore expecting so much more...).

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Monday, October 28, 2002 8:26 AM

Raging *Steer*: The Ride....no nuts, no glory! I'm agreeing with Brian on this one in terms of PERCEPTION. If I'm hauling butt along the course and getting some good serious airtime, some nice strong positives, even a FAST helix, I'm a happy camper. Feeling the *tug* of those brakes really does detract from the ride IMO. Sure 40mph MAY be 40mph, but if you only want the train to do 40, then build the ride at 100' tall instead of 200', and let the ENGINEERS determine the speeds....

Sure, HOW you get to 40 may not affect the way the TRAINS react on a certain section of track, but I sure as heck think it affects how PEOPLE feel about it....we are not machines, well, except for Bender...;)

bill, who LOVES coasters without brakes.....SFoG this coming weekend!

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Monday, October 28, 2002 8:43 AM

rollergator said:

bill, who LOVES coasters without brakes.....SFoG this coming weekend!

Like Deja Vu. Oh yeah, you said 'brakes,' not 'breaks', as in 'breaks in operation,' 'break downs,' etc. ;)

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Hallowave

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Monday, October 28, 2002 8:53 AM

Bill,

I returned your email. Groundwork has been laid with the executor of my plans. I repeat, the Eagle has left the nest. Over.

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I'm not an enthusiast, I just play one on message boards.

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Monday, October 28, 2002 9:10 AM
Speeking of trim brakes. What's it like riding Raing Bull without the trims off? Has anyone riden Raging Bull with the trims off? I sure would like to ride the bull with the trims off sometime ;).

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