Possible inversions on flyers

Tuesday, July 8, 2003 8:29 PM
I was wondering what kind of inversions could you have on a flyer. Obviously we have a loop, and pretezel loop. But could you have a cobra roll or a loop where you're on the other side of the track ( not like vekomas' but more of a B:TR loop). Would the g's be too extreme and make your head burst? Serioulsy, I'm getting tired of the same layouts from vekoma and B&M. I wanna see some some crazy inversions dammit!
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Tuesday, July 8, 2003 8:32 PM
Oh, I know! The THREE produced by each company are almost exactly alike!! When are they going to start diversifying that layout? Pretty soon, everyone'll have one and it'll be too late.

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Tuesday, July 8, 2003 8:39 PM
LOL Chernabog, you never cease to make me laugh... Good call! ;)

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Tuesday, July 8, 2003 8:39 PM
I want to see some more of the B&M invert inversions (ie...external v-loop, corkscrew)Maybe not a dive loop/immelman as that seems like it would be overly intense.

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Tuesday, July 8, 2003 8:41 PM
Ah I will just buy a plane if it gets tooo extreme... no lines lol...
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Tuesday, July 8, 2003 8:45 PM
This has already been thoroughly discussed, and the consensus is that the g-forces produced from inversions taken in the flying position would be too high for the body to comfortably take.

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Tuesday, July 8, 2003 8:48 PM
Oh, sorry, I'm new to this site. I didn't know it had been discussed.
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Tuesday, July 8, 2003 10:27 PM
I don't remember it being thoroughly discussed. Maybe once or twice, but not thoroughly..

Anyways, they would have to make an external loop really really really really big for the g's to be sustainable. It would be cool, and it may be done someday, and other inverted inversions will probably come along, but they will have to be really big too. I'm sure that they would have to be so big that the size would make the actual element not feel like what it was in the first place.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2003 1:19 AM
Anybody know the approximate limit for outward g's on a flyer?

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Wednesday, July 9, 2003 4:05 AM
As mentioned before in a previous topic, I think a loop like Talon's, which is narrow and tall (gentle pull in and pull out, snap over the top) would work for a flyer. Granted, it would probably have to be even gentler than Talon's loop, but I don't think it has to be as big as some of you are suggesting.

I always thought it would be cool if the Vekomas (face up on the lift) started with an outside half loop into the flying position. The drop is long enough that you'd have plenty of room for a big pull out to ease into some of those g's.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2003 7:45 AM
I think you could pull off an imitation cobra roll with a flyer. You'd have to start of in the face up position, go into a half loop, then have a 180 degree turn at the top in the flying position that swoops down like in a cobra roll, then another half loop. I think this would work because I'm assuming you can take more g's while laying on your back than when in the flying position.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2003 8:08 AM
An immelman would work. Instead of turning back over at the top, the train stays inverted so you are on your back.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2003 11:22 AM
aka raven turn.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2003 11:57 AM
The rumored flyer for SFFT is supposedly going to have a Dive loop...But of course take that with a grain of salt and a side of a drop of wine...

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Wednesday, July 9, 2003 12:11 PM
The purpose of a flyer is to simulate flying! Frankly I'd like to see *fewer* inversions on that type of coaster.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2003 12:52 PM
Maybe this should be changed to possible elements on flyers. You can't really consider inversions in the same sense as on a normal coaster anyway. What sort of elements would you like to see?

I would like to see more dips and dives and hills that you go up banked one way, then finish off banked the other. I'm not sure if the element has a name or not, but it would feel really cool on a flyer.
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Wednesday, July 9, 2003 1:02 PM

MikeMir87 said:
The rumored flyer for SFFT is supposedly going to have a Dive loop...But of course take that with a grain of salt and a side of a drop of wine...

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Is there a romur about a flyer at SFFT, thats where I live, that would awsome, that'll help me get over Joker's Revenge, I mean Jester. But I have come up with a inversion but ony to change from flying to lay back. I made it in RCT2 and it's not exacily what I want, I'll post pics.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2003 5:17 PM
that rumor's been around ever since AIR was announced.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2003 8:06 PM
I'd like to see some cool variations on regular loops. One series of elements I'd really like to see is a half loop from a face up chain lift into an inverted loop.

The only difference would be halfway through the loop when there would be an in line twist. It would be kind of like the Serial Thriller at SFWoA except it wouldn't turn over all the way before it started to twist. That way the train would stay in "flying" position throughout the whole loop and the speed at the base of the loop could be lower because the train would be unser the track instead of over it. I don't know if that is possible but I think it would be exciting.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2003 8:17 PM
What I'd like to see on flyers is more negitive g's. A nice floater hill would really help with the flying sensation.

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