PKI Expansion
For some of us that know, PKI only uses one third of the land that they own. And every time they make a new ride, all they do is tear down another. I for one liked the log flume ride that PKI is replacing, i thought it was kind of relaxing, and neat how it ran through the forest. Why do you think they do not expand? They could build some mighty fine roller coasters with all that extra land they have. If it was your choice, what would you put in that extra 2/3 of land?
I'm seriously tired of hearing about what PKI "needs." If PKI needed a larger steel coaster, then they would have built one by now. Will we see one in the future? Probably, but not because the park "needs" it. Does a park that consistently pulls in well over 3 million people a year and is profitable (complete assumption, i know, but a very safe one) really "need" anything, at least from their view point?
What PKI is going to build is what they feel is the best ivestment for their park. Why does everyone want a coaster like MF or Maggie at PKI so badly when you have....MF and Maggie right up the road? Do we want every park to be licking Cedar Point's booty by building the types of coasters that Cedar Point builds? Call me weird, but I personally like variety when I go from park to park, and when there are three major parks vying for some of the same Ohian market, I would think offering something different from the other two would be a good idea.
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Ravenguy,
I just asked what you would want, i did not say anything about what the park needed. Its just a "what you would do" type of question.
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ravenguy98 said:
I'm seriously tired of hearing about what PKI "needs." If PKI needed a larger steel coaster, then they would have built one by now. Will we see one in the future? Probably, but not because the park "needs" it. Does a park that consistently pulls in well over 3 million people a year and is profitable (complete assumption, i know, but a very safe one) really "need" anything, at least from their view point?
What PKI is going to build is what they feel is the best ivestment for their park. Why does everyone want a coaster like MF or Maggie at PKI so badly when you have....MF and Maggie right up the road? Do we want every park to be licking Cedar Point's booty by building the types of coasters that Cedar Point builds? Call me weird, but I personally like variety when I go from park to park, and when there are three major parks vying for some of the same Ohian market, I would think offering something different from the other two would be a good idea.
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I think what people mean is that PKI need a large steel coaster to round out and accompany thier coaster collection. They have a cornicopia of different types of coasters and if they added a hyper or gigga they would have one of the very best collections around (not like they don't already).
What's with all of the negitivity in these threads anyway?
As to the topic, I really think that all of the forest and unused boardering space really adds to the atmosphere of PKI. I believe that some of the extra space could be used in the future (as it already has with Water Works, TG, SOB, FOF, AE, ect. ect.ect.) but why should they extend the park all the way to its boarders when they don't really have to?
I'm no expert or anything; just using my brain a little.
*** This post was edited by dexter on 3/18/2002. ***
Sidewinder:
Yeah, dude, I totally know what you were asking, but then the answers you were getting weren't really adressing your question, and I was adressing the answers coming from supermanrocks!!! and adora belle.
Dexter:
Just because I'm disagreeing with someone doesn't mean I'm being negative, I'm just disagreeing. If nobody did that, there wouldn't be much to talk about here, or on any message board.
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*** This post was edited by ravenguy98 on 3/18/2002. ***
Yikes...parks need to open soon so we can all calm down a bit.
I think a big reason PKI does not develop more of their land is because the design of the park now is completely land-locked. The existing midways are thoroughly surrounded by rides on all sides, so it would be hard to develop another section and connect it. Look what they had to do for FoF: cut right through the Racer (and they took out a hill in the process).
Also, remember the Beast covers 35 of PKI's acres. PKI loves keeping its layout secret and its locale isolated, so they probably wouldn't build anything near it.
Lastly, a lot of the land PKI owns is deep valleys that would be impossible to build midways around and that would be difficult to design rides on (although I think personally a huge terrain giga-coaster would rock, but I know it would be so difficult to design).
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I get the feeling there's a conspiracy over at King's Island to remove anything that has "K" or "C" in its initials.
Make use of those Rye Airplane coaster blueprints!
Also, I wish PKI would build a MF-sized version of SFNE's Superman and a giant Revolution style steel twister through the woods with tons of big twisting drops and NO OTSR's!
Then, I would like to see a Shivering Timbers style woodie and a Ghostrider style woodie and boy oh boy would Matt be happy.
-Matt (on a high from his first five rides on Ghostrider)
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My opinion is they need to expand by White Water Canyon to tie that area to the park more. Expanding by the Flight of Fear area would be wise since that area is an eyesore and needs some revitalization. The picnic grounds could be moved to eliminate the "long walk of nothing" to the water park.
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whine whine whine. Sheesh, let me clear this up a bit. People want a giga coaster. I doubt thats gonna happen. PKI is the flagship of the paramount parks. They will do somthing to top MF in good time. PKI realy doesnt do "clones" all that much. face/off is one of the only Standard out of a catalog coasters they have.
KC:KC was due to be removed in 2001. 20+ years of service on a water ride is alot. It was a hazzard to keep operating. Cobera was a nightmeare to keep running.
On the issue of expansion. PKI was orginally suppost to be a themepark in a wooded setting anyways.
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PKI clones: Screemin Demon, Bavarian Beatle, Crazy Taxi, Face Off.
Plus some may consider Beastie, Flight of Fear and King Cobra to be clones also. However, we'll give them the benefit of the doubt because PKI had them first.
Your right, PKI doesn't do clones.
Here's the thing:
I agree and disagree with some of the general sentiments here. Kings Island has removed a lot of rides in the past that I sorely miss. I really liked KC:KC. I really liked Cobra, and scores of other rides that are now gone forever. I know they are going to be replaced by something more worthwhile for the park, and I'm totally cool with that. That still doesn't change that I will miss them.
I do see the problem that PKI has with it pretty much being lined by coasters and other limitations on all sides. Here's the thing, though. Parks do a very good job of not showing you want they don't want you to see. Before Face Off was built, nobody was talking about that empty space that it now occupies. Nobody suspected CP to build Mantis where they did. Everybody expected CP's 2002 ride to be in the diasaster transport area, but not everyone expected it to sit right on the beach like that. All parks have a set plan of some sort, and then know every inch of their property. Every ride at PKI that is going to be built is carefully considering against the over all welfare of the park. That has to include that limitations that a new ride will place on the park building new rides in the future.
That being said, it would be easy as pie for PKI to build something in that large area close to FoF. Its an obvious place to build, and I'd think its just a matter of time. Same deal with the old Dolphin stadium area, and a few others I can think of.
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How can you say that the King Cobra was a clone? When Kings Island bought the ride and put out the press release about it, the fact that King Cobra was a stand up ride was so shocking they underlined the words STAND UP in the press release. The King Cobra was the United States first stand up rollercoaster. "King Cobra is the only looping rollercoaster you ride standing up." (Kings Island DO IT ALL vacation package, 1984).
Also, PARAMOUNT'S Kings Island does not tend to buy/build clones. Kings Island purchased most of the rides mentioned in the "clone list". If you look around the park you will see that PKI doesn't tend to go for clones, Rugrats Runaway Reptar, SOB, TR:TR, ect. Lets give some credit to the company...they chose what they chose for a reason...MY THOUGHT: they do it so they are not like everyone else. Paramount's Kings Island tries to make a memerable experience for the visitors...and by putting in rides you can ride everywhere else, you do not get the memorable experience!
*** This post was edited by Cobra29With99 on 3/18/2002. ***
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life is like a coaster. you have ups and downs and when you least expect it you go upside down
Really, the argument against clones or for clones has been driven into the ground. I could care less if PKI has a ride like Face Off just like one in California and Maryland, because I think its a damn good ride. I wouldn't care if PKI coaster collection was made up of 13 clones, as long as they were good rides, and I could go and have a good time. Bottom line:
It should be Bad Rides vs. Good Rides, not Clones vs. Non-Clones.
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As has been stated, PKI has done a very good job of sealing off easy access to their expansion land.
Lack of master planning, says I.
IIRC, the Wild Animal Habitat (WAH) was quoted at being somewhere in the 125-175 acre range. Lots of good flat land, that was well fertilized :). What did they do? They went and built SOB right on the very edge boarding the existing park, and sealed off that route of access, though they get a second chance, since it is now confrmed they are removing King Cobra, the portal to this area is once again open, but very tricky since AE and SOB come within INCHES of each other at one point.
Let's move around the park, the area boarding Oktoberfest has AE in the way, the next logical entrance would be the the middle of Coney Mall, but they went and slapped FOF in that big opening. , the far end of Coney is blocked by the motion simulator building, and quite frankly the land behind Rivertown would be quite a challenge to work with.
Of course this is just me, but if it were my park, the old animal habitat area could have easily supported 3 or 4 more themed areas, each 25-30 acres big, and the walkway would have started by ripping out the waste-of-midway space Go-Karts (they could have been moved to somewhere in the expansion area, its just a cheap unimaginative oval track, could have gotten a better track layout for it at the same time). Results would have been increased traffic to Top Gun, room for the rumored slingshot, and a major midway into the new expansion area, which would have wrapped around (eventually, I mean it would have been built in phases) around to the opening next to FoF. In fact the theme area right behind FoF could have been outer space themed, the FoF building re-themed to a 1950's era sci-fi movie palace, and you could have had a nice smooth thmeatic transition.
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