PKI anouncement?

All I know is I was told that a Stealth clone will be built by 2004, but nothing other than that. If my friend knows, he ain't talking. He works in the Finance office at PKI. It wouldn't surprise me if he does know, because, as Jeff says, "Those who know, don't talk; Those who talk, don't know." :)

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UCSigep
"Did you make a copy? Because if you made a copy, we could watch the copy."

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super7 said:
"PKI needs a lot of other types of coasters before an inverted. They already have Face Off. Hyper, Floorless and Shuttle coasters would fill bigger gaps than ANOTHER inverted coaster."

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Face Off is a shuttle coaster.


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A shuttle coaster is the last thing PKI needs now and I'm surprised they got Face/Off, but it does seem to be a crowd pleaser and I like them, so that's ok with me. Hopefully they(along with Paramount as a whole) will invest in large capacity and lengthy coasters(not counting their woodies). Several rides they've put in lately are the complete opposite(HXLC, Stealth, FSS, RRR). All great, unique rides, but short and low on capacity.

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Danny

Everyone keeps making a lot of speculations and wishful suggestions on what PKI needs. Not much we can do but wait for the announcement. At the risk of making my own speculation, I would add that it's pretty clear by the trends lately that adding two major attractions in one season has more long term benefits (and increased attendance over multiple seasons) than adding one major attraction in each of two successive seasons. Thus, it would seem like a logical wager that PKI will add two attractions next year, a coaster and a flat ride/water ride. PKI, like CP, likes to be ground breaking so I don't see them adding a floorless, a sit-down hyper, a launched coaster, or an inverted (unless it's > 200 feet). Whatever it is, it will have to break a record in either height or length for that type.

When has CP even been groundbreaking besides in numbers? With PKI: first suspended, shuttle loop, looping stand-up, looping woodie, kiddie inverted, and of course PKI is into record breaking specifically with it's woodies although several of their steelies have been. CP is more into the record breaking and PKI and Paramount as a whole are into new technology and innovations(HXLC, Stealth, FSS).

And PKI got 2 huge attractions in '99, one gigantic one in '00, and 5 big changes/ attractions in '01. So I think they know how to do it.

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Danny *** This post was edited by Koaster King on 6/19/2001. ***

I am glad CP is not "groundbreaking" like PKI. First suspended...sure the Bat which was dismantled after an accident. First looping stand-up...is it on anybody's top ten? Was it ever? Looping woodie...overrated, one trick pony.

Now, I won't be critical of the Beast but I would rather a park wait for the kinks to be worked out of new technology and impove on it. See Raptor vs. the Batman clones

I HAVE THE OFFICAL DATE!!!!!!
After a recent email from Jennifer Bowers (one of the PR people at the park) she told me that they are announcing the new ride July 2nd Everyone cross your fingers

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wahoo skipper said:
" First suspended...sure the Bat which was dismantled after an accident"

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The Bat was not taken down because there was an accident. It was taken down because it was poorly designed thus causing way to much money and hassle to make the repairs. There was never an accident on the Bat or any of the other coasters at PKI. The accident stories were just rumors. There is a website that gives the Bat's history, but I don't remember the URL.

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Bill Yost a.k.a. THE BEASTmaster
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Lets hope your right, as that is a little more than two weeks away. Until then, stop the speculation, and enjoy Paramount`s Kings Island the way it is now, and get there to see the new magic show in the Paramount Theater (supposed to be really good). I`m sure whatever they build for next year, it will be liked.

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www.geocities.com/coastersrz I`ve riden Son of Beast 38 times!

Hope!? This is offical. They already have issued the invites, and they are getting ready for it with more preparations as we speak! It is offical!

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all about PKI
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wahoo skipper said:
"I am glad CP is not "groundbreaking" like PKI. First suspended...sure the Bat which was dismantled after an accident. First looping stand-up...is it on anybody's top ten? Was it ever? Looping woodie...overrated, one trick pony.

Now, I won't be critical of the Beast but I would rather a park wait for the kinks to be worked out of new technology and impove on it. See Raptor vs. the Batman clones"

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1. Like someone else said, The Bat was not closed after an accident.

2. Does it really matter if King Cobra isn't in anybody's top ten? As far as I can tell, even if you have a top ten woodie list and a top ten steel list, if you have a track record of say, 200 coasters, that still leaves about 180 that aren't in your "top ten."

3. Son of Beast is a one trick pony? Huh? Lets see how many tricks SOB has:

A. The drop out of the station is one of the best beginnings to a coaster, if not THE best, ever.

B. The first drop. I don't need to elaborate on this.

C. The biggest, most intense helix in the world.

D. That wild, curving drop into the loop.

E. The Loop.

F. The not great but fun 2nd helix.

G. The clover turn.

H. That last drop that usually provides pretty fantastic air in the back.

Seems to me that that is 7 pretty good "tricks." Oh yeah, and it also seems that you haven't ridden SOB, either. Can you back up your statement that it is overated?

4. You say that you would rather a park "work out the kinks of new technology" before they build their rides, but you are contradicting yourself. If new technology is available to the industry, SOMEBODY has to build it first, and it seems like PKI is willing to take risks to do that. Personally, I like the contrast that CP/PKI provide. CP tends to build well proven ride ideas, but usually bigger, faster, loopier etc....

PKI tends to be a trailblazer, and innovates to give their riders unique experiences. SFWoA seems to be somewhere in between. I think its cool that we have all 3 in the same state.




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Hey wahoo skipper~First have you ever even been to PKI? Have you ever ridden SOB? If You havent Then dont even dare call it overated! Also King Cobra. Well You dont have a good reason to bash it because it was one of the first stand ups ever made! Of course its not gonna be as great as mantis or any other of the new stand ups. So how about You not go talking bad about stuff that you probobly dont know about!

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Sit up right, hold on tight!

I would rather have a park that trailblazed and offered something that all the other parks didnt have than a park that just has normal stuff that gets old rather quick, wouldnt you?

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all about PKI
the Beasts` Den

Thanks Raven. Couldn't have said it better myself. And how does Mean Streak and Blue Streak even begin to compare to The Beast family and The Racer? Go to PKI before you say something about it. Thanks.

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Danny

Ok children. Thought you might be mature enough to handle constructive criticism. Apparently I was wrong. I have been to PKI many times and I like the park. The Beast is my number one woodie.

Did I say that I was a fan of Mean Streak or Blue Streak? No (although I do like Blue Streak). I simply made a point that I think the second generation of a ride is better b/c the kinks have been worked out.

Look at the X-flight coasters. Both have serious problems. Is it a great, new experience? Sure but if I was a park owner, I would wait for the second generation as I believe Cedar Point has done over the years.

I don't know where you all got the idea that I hated PKI but that simply isn't true. Top Gun is much better than Iron Dragon. The Beast is in a class of it's own. I even like Vortex and I am not a huge Arrow Fan.

Sorry I intruded on the official King's Island lovers site. My mistake. I thought this was an open discussion.

Constructive critism? If the park doesn't get the new innovative rides, who else is willing to? I think that was the point. CP can't get the "second generation" of these rides if someone doesn't make the first.

Our thing to begin with was that PKI was risky and innovative and you come back and say, yeah, but they're bad innovations(which is completely your opinion), when CP uses some of those innovations later to make something better. So maybe we should say other parks should thank PKI for taking risks to eventually lead to better rides later(and IMO SOB is one of the best woodies and King Cobra is THE best stand-up out there).

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Danny

Where did I say they were bad innovations? I didn't. Again, I simply stated that if I were a park owner I would wait until a product was tried and tested before choosing to spend millions of dollars on it. No different than buying a car. I would never by the first model of a new car because the manufacturer has not had time to work out the kinks.

I own a Dodge Intrepid. (Not a great car, admittedly but not awful for a couple's car). Now, the first year of the Intrepid there were a lot of problems. I have yet to run into a problem with my Intrepid and it has 65,000 miles on it.

I was not knocking anybody's individual opinion, nor was I being critical of K.I. in particular. Hey, I would ride a one drop kiddie coaster because I like them all.

After removing a water ride I think you will find they will build another!

Maybe one that is very very well themed and very very expensive!

Say something like Valahlla at Blackpool Pleasure Beach. I would expect them also to build a world class coaster there too for 2002.


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Dont dream it, ride it!!

My somewhat-off-topic two cents about SOB:

I do agree that SOB has great potential and a lot of great elements. *HOWEVER*, the horrific metal plates that stick up in each car make it *IMPOSSIBLE* for anyone 6-feet-tall and up to have an enjoyable ride. I've ridden a handful of times all over the train and I was given the same painful bruises each lap (wedged every time). I'm 6'1" for the record.

I'm not bashing the ride. If some alterations were made to the trains it would be a world-class ride. I was very impressed with the track smoothness...

Personally I am tired of B&M Inverteds, they are very predictable and rarely take advantgae of their surronding. i would rather see an intamin like Tornado go in cuase they are known for Twisting ther coasters to their area.
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