Pictures of the new Kumbak train

Wednesday, August 3, 2005 2:09 PM
Here's a picture of the new Kumbak train, that Efteling bought for their Vekoma loop-Corkscrew coaster, Python.

They look like 2 rows B&M sit down trains.. but the paint job is pretty bad in my opinion. Now, look at the seat itself

Interesting... what's everyone's opinion?

Wednesday, August 3, 2005 2:25 PM
Actually, they remind me of TOGO stand-up trains.

Pluses: more exposed seating
Minuses: awful-looking OTSRs

And that seat design is a little... weird. Looks like a bug's segmented abdomen. And I don't want coasters reminding me of segmented abdomens...

Wednesday, August 3, 2005 2:28 PM
I like. I even like the paint. Heck, if they're less painful, can we get this on all arrows/vekos?
Wednesday, August 3, 2005 2:35 PM
Wow, those trains look hideous. . . and painful.
Wednesday, August 3, 2005 2:38 PM
Strange. And what's up with the cages on the outer sides of the seats?

I'm curious to hear how they run. Sometimes the most ugly trains produce the best ride!

Wednesday, August 3, 2005 3:27 PM
Looks like we've gone from over-the-shoulder to over-the-EAR restraints.

I don't care how soft the foam is. I still don't want it next to my head!


Wednesday, August 3, 2005 3:32 PM
Now I'm no engineer but I can forsee a potential probem with this train design. There is no interaction between the side of the seat an the side of the restraint, like B&M trains have the little armrest pieces, there is nothing on these trains. Potentially, that could allow someone smaller to slip out the side. Hopefully there is something I'm missing on that, because I'd hate to be right on this one.
Wednesday, August 3, 2005 3:50 PM
Um, yeah...add me to the "thinks they're fugly" list.
Wednesday, August 3, 2005 3:59 PM
^Me too

Those look like they can cause some major pain.

Wednesday, August 3, 2005 4:13 PM
Gah Moosh, just when I was thinking fugly too you had to go and beat me to it!

Oh well, at least I beat Clint ;)

-Jimvy! - thinking 'corkscrew+those restraints=OUCHY!'

Wednesday, August 3, 2005 4:17 PM
Doesn't Vekoma make these?
Wednesday, August 3, 2005 4:23 PM
Nope, the company that broke away from Vekoma when they went bankrupt a few years ago. One project I know they did is new cars and ride rehab of the Space Invader at Blackpool. Reports I've seen of that ride since they worked on it are positive.
Wednesday, August 3, 2005 4:23 PM
It looks like the "cages" Rob reffered to is meant to keep people form slipping out. I don't know, I think they are certainly an improvement, but seem to lack much thought, or class.
Wednesday, August 3, 2005 4:31 PM
I was reminded of the Togo stand-up trains as well. They go to all that trouble to make the trains "open" and then they clutter `em up wit giant OTSR's. What a shame. Yeah, those segmented abdomen seats are weird looking.
Two hands down
Wednesday, August 3, 2005 4:31 PM
The 3 bar cage thing on the side of the seat would keep someone from slipping out the side.

The OTSR's don't look to be any taller than those on a B&M...

Wednesday, August 3, 2005 4:57 PM
I think the seats themselves are kind of cool... and I don't even mind the paint job, but those restraints look awful. That poor kid in the close-up photo looks like he's in for a miserable ride.... and why the hell is his hand sticking through the center? Ow!
Wednesday, August 3, 2005 5:21 PM
The seats are the best thing about this. If only they would have gone for a more thought out bio-futuristic design.

We all know that the OTSR are one of the most delicate factors for Vekoma coasters. Why make them even bigger and bulkier?

Python at De Efteling is one of those rare Vekoma coasters which doesnt have any headbanging at all and it had great airtime which felt even stronger with the legroom you have in the frontrow.

Here is another picture of the new trains (which look a little bit Intamin rip-offish to me):

Look at the following picttures: The first one shows the Vekoma trains that were designed for their Tilt-coasters. They look like SLC seats bolted on a base. But I think they look quite good.

The second two pictures show the ghetto-dragster design that Vekoma tried to sell to parks as a substitute for old Vekoma and Arrow coasters. They look horrible and were sold only once (afaik).

Seems that Krusties Kumbak Koasters went for a hybrid of the two former designs.

For those who donĀ“t know: Kumbak (great name) are currently building a water coaster of sorts for De Efteling.

Wednesday, August 3, 2005 5:29 PM
Vekoma also sold that Ghetto train design to Powerpark in Finland for their brand new Boomerang. Powerpark is the park getting the GCI Twister in Europe next year. *** Edited 8/3/2005 9:30:06 PM UTC by Absimilliard***
Wednesday, August 3, 2005 5:35 PM
^ Oh, i remember I saw it and thought: this looks awful. The opposite of sleek

Wednesday, August 3, 2005 5:40 PM
It looks as though the seats are placed a little higher in relation to the rails... doesn't that mean the heartline is no longer where it should be and the physics will be slightly off?

It also looks as though the seats are able to accomodate taller riders. I generally have a problem with all standard Vekoma and Arrow trains because my upper body is too tall for their seats, and the OTSR always presses down on my shoulders in a painful way - so maybe this is the solution.

I do like the seats, but I aggree they don't fit the cars nor the OTSRs very well -

Still I think they can only be more comfortable than the traditional design. *** Edited 8/3/2005 9:42:04 PM UTC by superman***


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