NoLimitChic,
I agree with you wholeheartedly, people like these guys should not be allowed to work near chilren (or anyone else for that matter). But until the time that a law can be passed that can restrict the places predators like that work and can pass the constitutional challenges that face it, they are free to work anywhere and around anyone.
I have spent the past years writing letters to my representatives in both the state and federal legislatures stating my opinions on getting laws passed restricting the rights of these predators and am waiting for others to do the same thing and get the legislators to pass the appropriate laws.
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--George H
---Superman the ride...coming to a SF park near you soon...
"Seriously, he is another fine example of what is going wrong in American society."
No, there is nothing "going wrong" with American society today. Unless you ignore ancient English society which was mainly composed of rapes and murders. Or unless you ignore ancient Roman society with open sexuality, gangs, drug use, rapes and murders? These ills have always exixted. Part of the problem is this stigma that pedophilia and child porn is somehow unique to our generation. HELLO! IT'S NOT! We target popular social dogma as the causes becuase we don't want to admit that it is simply human nature. And in order to combat human nature you have to remove the *nature*, I'm talking about drugs and surgery. That's the only way you'll rehabilitate some of these people.
"Secondly, one of the biggest problems here in America is the prejudice against other's sexual desires. You can't control your desires, you were born with them, so how can you judge people on that alone?"
We don't prosecute people for their thoughts or beliefes we prosecute them for their actions. When someone gets a thrill out of doing something wrong then odds are they'll do it again.. common sense.. plain and simple.
- Kevin
We had a child-molesting, murderous rapist in Minnesota who served his full sentence without parole and was therefore eligible for release. Lucky for us, our legislators were 'on the stick' and kept him on supervised release (a house on with the prison grounds no doors and loads of hidden cameras) while they revised a few of the laws in the favor of public safety.
NoLimitChic, I'm so sorry to hear that happened to you. Who would hate you for your opinion? Like Wahoo Skipper said, we parents' feelings run every bit as deep. If it was my kid, I'd wanna kill him slow--and I'm not the least bit apologetic for saying that.
-'Playa
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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya on 12/31/2002. ***
Playa... I guess not so much as "hate me" (hate is such a strong word) but not take it seriously because I didnt turn the (explitive deleted) man in. I have such hate for him that it does sometimes change my views on things. I understand what the law says but what about the innocent people here ... the children.
My mother has a friend who's ex-husband just got out of the Belmont Correctional Institution in St. Clairsville, Ohio for molesting 2 young boys. His entire jail time was only THREE YEARS! That is horrible. In only 3 years he was out and is now able to do it again. His own 13 year old daughter now wants nothing to do with him. Those boys are still in counceling. I dont care how young you are, you still know when someone is doing something wrong to you.
We need to think of the rights of the children not the rights of the man who hurt them. I agree Laws need to be changed. It is a scary thought to think of the way the laws are written now. It seems like they protect the perpetrator more than the victim.
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"Now this looks like a job for me so everybody just follow me, cuz we need a little controversy, cuz it feels so empty without me." Without Me, The Eminem Show
This whole issue brings up a rather weird memory me and a few friends had on opening day for SFNE.
On the RCTStaion foums, me and three other kids (we live in the same town and are good friends) posted on how we were going to SFNE opening day to ride BDK. One of them talked to one of the satff members on the site, asking him if he was going to be going. He also mentioned "wouldn't it be cool if I saw you there?" The man said he hoped he had a good time, but meeting there probably wouldn't be a good idea.
Well...
The kids mom is a safety nut, and after overhearing a bit of the conversation, she assumed a 30 year old wants to meet my son in the bathroom! Before I knew it, all the parents were flipping out about this, even though nothing was happening! It was a crazy event if you were there, but I don't blame them for obvious reasons :)
Petophiles are everywhere really. My old school had a teacher that was recently arrested for downloading kiddie porn, which is just sick.
I've always felt a little uneasy about this type of stuff, so I try to keep myself safe by taking various martial arts n such.
Back to the issue, I think the fact that this guy is allowed back is total crap. He should not have access to a job like that, and the judge is making a big mistaks.
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--Dingo 65--
http://rct.ogresnet.com
Forgotten member of Thrillride forums.
NoLimitChic,
That is horrorable that something like that happened to you. I'm glad you got away.
However, When something like this happens to someone, they will assume that the crime commiter will definately do it again, in which I do not believe.
People are people. Here in the U.S. all of us are equils and have the same rights as everyone else. I'm not so sure that the man who grabbed you would be the same evildoer that he was the month he grabbed you.
I.m not defending preditors, I am defending mankind.
My policy is to not judge people, especially those I do not know. Repeat offenders are probibly more likely to repeat again, but why should everyone sit on the edge of their seats in anticipation for the repeat offence when what this world really needs is positive thoughts instead of negitive thoughts?
Things that affect peoples behaviors change. I think when someone is punished for a crime, they won't want to do it again (I know I wouldn't). We have no idea what this guys story is. Did he do it because he was angry at an adult that did the same to him? Or is he REALLY attracted to kids? Or was it just one or two boys that caught his eye and he's never felt that way about our youth ever sence?
There could be a million reasons for his problem, and it may not be a problem anymore.
If someone could read his mind and tell the world of his intentions, it may or may not save a kid from a lot of pain, but we can't. I believe that doesn't give anyone a reason to restrict his choices after he is let out of prison. He just might never try anything like that again. Why predict it? It's not fair to him.
I don't think the clown is a bad person, just his past actions. Maybe I am gullible with respect to the evils in our world.
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Think for yourself-Don't reley on someone else.
How many of these children are yours, Dexter?
If you carried one of your own--precious, helpless, completely dependent on you--from a delivery room and raised them from day one you wouldn't want the slightest harm to befall them. Do you have any idea how hard it is to simply let other people hold them when they're newborn?
Do you have any idea what that kind of abuse does to kids--especially when they're young? The aggressive, violent behavior they may exhibit toward others because it's almost impossible to cope with what happened to them? The inappropriate interaction they may undertake with other kids because they think it's normal? The loss of all trust for anyone else? I tell you, it's far easier for me to deal with someone with terminal cancer or shattered from a motorcycle accident in my line of work than one of those poor children.
It's not worth giving them another chance to destroy another young life IMHO.
Nevertheless, I still believe in a defendant's right to legal recourse and counsel. The only thing more deplorable than the criminal act is the fact that there are still innocent men rotting in jail for crimes they did not commit...like some of those kids that did hard time for the Central Park jogger incident.
-'Playa
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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya on 12/31/2002. ***
Yes, I know. My Sister was abused when she was very young. Most of her problems didn't start until her teenage years (when she started "dateing".)
For a few years, she was so mean and spiteful to everyone that I actually hated her. She was uncontrolable by my parents. After she got some professional help, we discovered she was abused by an adult when she was very young. She learned how to deal with her anger without lashing out at family members. She still isn't "normal", but is a lot more tolerable than before the theropy.
She now has two silly boys. It is scary to me that their good looks could get them into trouble (they DO look like me, ya know). I will aggree that it is difficult to keep them safe, but it shouldn't be stressed over. We are all just very alert to what is going on in their lives.
The scary clown guy just might not be trying to seek a "boyfriend" with this new job. I believe ones mans rights is important, even if he did a horrible thing in the past. We can't read his mind. I view dificult situations from all perspectives. I really don't believe in "evil"
It would be so much easier for me to just say "Cut off his dupey!", or"That SICK perverted scumbag, he should rot in heck!" But how sivilized is that?
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Two things I should mention:
1) I don't disagree that he should be given a second chance to be a useful member of society...but he has absolutely no business in a line of work surrounded by children he may find tempting.
2) When you have children of your own, that changes everything in your perspective. You have a much better idea how another parent would feel. Fortunately, you still don't truly know--but trust me, it's close enough.
-'Playa
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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
Dexter said,
I really don't believe in "evil"
Where have you been living? We can't read people's minds but we can look at what experience tells us. Which is, these types of people have done these things more than they get caught for and their desire for children NEVER fades. I would bet MY LIFE this sick SOB clown will strike again. Would you let your children around this person? If you say yes your crazy. I don't care what causes it to happen. Some things you know are wrong no matter what you have been through. There is NO excuse for sexually assaulting a child, or another person for that matter. What does common sense tell us here? Does this sound like a good idea? A man convicted of sexual assault on children is going to be permitted to be a clown and will interact with children? Are you kidding me? I can't believe there is even one person saying he should. Are these people who defend his right to perform going to say to the next set of victims, "Oh, sorry it happened, we had no idea he was going to do this AGAIN"
*** This post was edited by Winston on 1/1/2003. ***
You make some good points, Winston. I don't think I would let my kids, if I had any, around this person. BUT, we DON'T know what "these types of people" are thinking. I don't think that it is fair for anyone to call anyone "these types of people". That's like saying that ALL Coasterbuzzers are fat. Stereotyping?
Humans deserve all of the same rights as others, unless the are in trouble with the law. This clown is NOT in trouble with the law anymore. He now has the same rights as you and me (except for "Megans Law", but that's probibly another topic). I'm not saying he is right for wanting to be an entertainer, I am saying that if that's what he wants, he is entitled to persue it.
Their are many reasons he would have done the things he did, not just attraction. We don't know his story. Maybe the media could have told us his side of the story, if their is one. Then it would be way easier for me to decide what I think about this whole thing.
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Would you accept him as a roomie? I mean, you're so accomodating and he deserves another chance and all...
-'Playa
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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
Heck, I wouldnt accept him as my garbage man. You can call me cruel and unforgiving but frankly, I dont care.
Why?
Because just like 'Playa', I am a father. As a parent, I dare not take a chance with my daughter around a known sex offender. Its my right to keep her away from them and I will continue to do so until she is grown and can make her own adult decisions.
I have read to many times where most sex offenders repeat their actions.
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2 superheroes in Gurnee next season? Oh the humanity. :)
The aggressive, violent behavior they may exhibit toward others because it's almost impossible to cope with what happened to them? The inappropriate interaction they may undertake with other kids because they think it's normal? The loss of all trust for anyone else?
Anyone remember going to school? Sounds a little familiar. "Kids are sometimes the cruelest of all people in the world." Don't know where I heard that, but in some cases I can almost stick up for it. Now I know your statement had nothing to do with school, so don't go getting your bonnet in a bushel. I still stand by what I said, had he not taken legal action but obtained the license, no one would probably given him a second look not knowing who he is. If you didn't know I doubt you would be worried as much as if you did. (Refer back to my Central Park statement.)
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"If two coaster trains almost hit each other, why is it called a near miss and not a near hit?"
*** This post was edited by Ptboy11 on 1/2/2003. ***
Of course I wouldnt give a second look if I didnt know. Quite obvious there.
I dont know what goes on in other states, but here in Illinois, you have to register as a known sex offender once you are done doing your time. You also cannot live within a certain distance from a school, daycare, etc. They also put your picture and address on websites.
Bottomline: If I know, I am keeping my child away.
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2 superheroes in Gurnee next season? Oh the humanity. :)
I agree that everyone should get a second chance, but Playa' makes a good point- his second chance probably shouldn't involve children.
In any case, parents should watch their kids constantly in public areas. If that were the situation, this man technically could not strike again, but we all know that is a bit of a pipe dream.
Ptboy11 said:
Anyone remember going to school? Sounds a little familiar. "Kids are sometimes the cruelest of all people in the world."
Wrong, wrong, wrong. You are without clue here--frankly, for which you should be glad. This isn't the same as a kid who's raised in a violent home (tho that sure isn't much good either); it's a whole new level of screwed up...especially for very young boys. Seriously, you don't wanna know.
-'Playa
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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
No matter how long ago the offense was, this loser lost his right to be around children when he commited the crime. Period. No second chances deserved.
How many times when children are kidnapped and murdered and it is reported on the media do they list prior convictions. Most of the time. We are WAAAAAAAAAY too leniant with "second chances" in this country.
If he does win the right, the county should follow him with a sign describing his prior convictions. That is their "freedom of speech" and they would jsut be speaking the facts.
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